Re: Wayland and Xfce

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Robert Moskowitz writes:

https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap

Though I was told on the Xfce user list that there is no current work on this roadmap.

I am not surprised. It's hard for me to come up with a value-added benefit from Wayland that's visible to the end user. Oh, I'm sure there's a list, somewhere, of all the wonderful advantages of Wayland. But what exactly does it do, better, that the end user can immediately hold in their hand, and inspect?

I don't know the answer to this question. I am not involved with the xfce folks, but I am involved in a very related pet project, that also involves X innards. I'm pretty certain I understand why they don't seem to place much priority on Wayland. I can't quite see, myself, exactly why I will want to sink a massive amount of time into pretty much reimplementing what works perfectly adequately in X, in a completely different way with Wayland, and what that will allow me to do that I cannot do (very well) with X.

Plus, X11 has very, very useful built-in advantages. It is very easy to artificially constrain X's performance: tunnel X11 over ssh over a wifi connection. If you're doing low level development using X11 primitives, this setup makes any inefficiencies and bottlenecks in your use of X11 become very, very easy to see and troubleshoot.

Setting aside the fact that you can't do tunneling with Wayland (AFAIK), complaints about poor Gnome/Wayland performance, on older, less powerful hardware, happen quite often. This probably isn't because of any inherent defects in low-level layers, closer to the hardware, but rather to something dumb happening higher up in the protocol stack, but completely missed by someone who was developing it on a high-end, 64-core threadripper. I forecast rocky road ahead for Gnome/Wayland, with constant complaints about bad performance and stability. That's just the way it is.

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