On 04/04/2021 09:04, Richard Hughes wrote:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 10:01, lejeczek via users
<users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
if you too jumped on that bandwagon of (fake) Lenovo euphoria towards support, in
generic terms, for Linux by the company - which is BAD across the board.
That's not what I've experienced: I've been working with Lenovo for
about 2 years now, with ThinkStation, ThinkCenter and ThinkPad teams
(including sub-teams of ME, BIOS, etc), and about a dozen ODMs and
IHVs with my firmware work on the LVFS and fwupd. Although Lenovo had
some catching up to do, they now ship about as much firmware on the
LVFS (in terms of absolute downloads, and also in terms of models
supported) as Dell. In the last 18 months I've seen a Lenovo Linux
team grow from almost nothing to having almost daily contact with a
Senior Linux Developer at Lenovo. They are increasing the number of
models (and type of hardware) with firmware on the LVFS and I'll have
some more announcements about all that when it's all public.
As I understand it, Lenovo only formally "supports Fedora" on models
actually sold with Fedora preinstalled (which is fair enough in my
opinion). At least unofficially I know there are a *huge* number of
other models that are being tested with Fedora and RHEL, and with
firmware updates available on the LVFS. I've been given access to
their IHVs and ODMs supplying devices and silicon to them, and the
support of Linux by Lenovo has contributed a huge amount to the
success of the LVFS.
I think calling Lenovo a "joke" considering how much progress they've
made in the last 18 months is a huge mischaracterization. I buy Lenovo
and I've been Linux-exclusive for about the last 15 years.
Richard.
What LVFS is to Linux consumers and proponents and what you
Richard and others do with/for it - well, I wish not to
sound boring and repetitive but will say anyway - is great!
However, I do not think your experience, for obvious
reasons, should compare to experience of the rest of us
regular folk.
The quote I used is a verbatim quote (I only do not want to
include email addresses and names, those should remain
private in my opinion).
There, in Lenovo(IBM) replay is no talk about official "VS
non-official", about "Fedora VS Ubuntu", it as short(really
that short) and concrete as you can read it.
Do anybody think that if I was to ask my friend or do it
myself and talk to Lenovo but replace "Ubuntu" with "Fedora"
their repose would be entirely different or.... different at
all? I might give a try I think.
What I think is happening recently with Leonovo, if anything
is rather a diversion from
Lenovo-HW(BIOS)-close-Linux-Integration and please, do not
get me wrong, I say there most certainly is, at Lenovo, a
small bunch of people who work hard with
serious-Linux-approach goal in mind but that might be
worth... well a penny, at most?
When the goals at the company(top) level are nowhere near
Linux, perhaps are in a parallel universe with Linux absent
completely, then such a bunch of devotees plus you, plus me,
plus us... will not be ever enough. Your own individual
experience will not change it.
(I'll try to stress that again, as it seems we miss that
secondary point of mine - IBM which is now Redhat, that
short, concrete replay came from!)
na zdrowie (since it's Sun), L.
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