(On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 06:17, George wrote)
> You need to rule out hardware.
Impossible.
Good testing can make a really good case that it's not the hardware (nor
the driver).
Complete testing, 100% ruling out, impossible.
I must live with practical limits same as everyone else.
> To narrow the problem down to your graphics card
> and associated drivers, you need to remove the card
> and use onboard graphics.
If I....
1. shut down,
2. then disconnect the monitors,
3. then remove the graphics card,
4. then re-connect the monitors,
5. then power-up,
6. then log in and try to duplicate the problem,
is that all? The graphics driver (the one that came from rmpfusion) is
still there, and my impression is that getting those out will be messy,
time-consuming, and risky. Then later I'd have to put them back, also
messy, time-consuming, and risky. If the steps above (If I.... 1
through 6) are sufficient, I'll give it a try.
Here are details of two of the freeze problems that I remember
experiencing with Fedora Live:
A.
1. I launched Firefox.
2. I started entering the URL
"lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/"
into the address bar. The freeze-up happened before I could finish
entering that URL.
B.
1. I launched Firefox.
2. I entered the URL
"lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/"
into the address bar.
3. The page was properly displayed.
4. I selected this a thread: this thread ("rescue mode needs rescuing!").
5. The page was properly displayed.
6. I scrolled down. The freeze-up happened.
Now I've had *no* problems when booting from the hard drive, not today,
not recently, not in quite a while.
This does not prove the graphics card and driver are not at fault. But
it's a very good case. I think Samuel was implying the same thing on
Sunday...
> But unless you're seeing a really obvious problem,
> it's unlikely to be failing.
> "Seems fine" is not a diagnostic test.
Well, I don't say that out of the blue; it's not a lazy or gut thing.
> Your symptoms suggest a hardware/ driver problem.
Then shouldn't I experience problems (more and worse) when I boot from
the hard drive?
> If you have Windows 8 or10 installed, it has a
> "fast boot" mode that bypasses the normal boot
> process (using "hibernation"):...
...
> Blame Windows. There have been instances where an OS
> loads firmware that prevents normal reboot until the
> system has been powered off.
I have windows-7.
I looked at that this morning. I did see a fast boot setting in the
Advanced Mode, Boot screen. It was enabled. I switched it to
disabled. It will take many boots before I have high confidence that
that fixed things. One new instance of "one of them moods" immediately
shows the change probably did not fix things. It's impossible to
*prove* the fix worked.
What else did windows do to my bios? Wait. Do I really want to know?
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