Re: update to F30 seems to have failed

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Tim:

>> My vote is:?? Until it's officially announced AND released, it ain't a release.
>> Even though we could all be expecting it on a prearranged date, it could
>> be deliberately delayed by circumstances.



Ralf Corsepius:

> That's what I call superflous bureaucracy beyond reason.


No, it's merely logical.?? If it's not available, *and* we're not aware that it's available, it's not released.?? It's as simple as that.

Trying to say that something is released (but yet not actually available), just because it's said that it will be released in a day or so's time, *is* bureaucratically perverse.?? And just plain nuts.


>> And ignoring issues about imminent releases:?? Without redirecting
>> people to the correct list, they'll ask in the wrong place (which won't
>> actually do them much good).?? And without reminding some people,
>> they'll keep on doing it.

> Face it, posting about user issues with an already finalized release to @test is > waste of time and resources. The "testers" already have dropped "their pencils"
> and are gone. Nobody will listen nor respond.


You didn't read what I typed, did you??? Let me try rewording it:

Quite apart from your current pedantic stand about whether something is released because it's momentarily *about* to be released, I was *further* commenting on how people *continually* try posting on the user-list about software that is still in test, all year long.

And I don't care whether that's a post about whole distro, or merely about the next version of one particular package that's being debugged.?? If you want to solve a problem with unreleased software, it needs to be discussed with the group working on the unreleased software.?? And why's that?

Because the people working on the test releases aren't always subscribed to this list.?? They don't want to be.?? They want to keep this groups chatter out of the way of what they're working on.

And the opposite applies:?? The people working with the released software, on *this* list, want to keep the chatter about software-in-test out of the way.

That's why there's two lists.?? It ain't rocket science.


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