On 11/7/18 11:53 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote: > When a new Fedora is released, I immediately fetch the Live Xfce > Spin .iso. As a Gnome hater, I want to avoid that entrapment. > I've always found Xfce perfectly suited for me. > > This crucial piece of the release is missing at all the mirror sites > I've visited and, indeed, the file that lists checksums for all the > Spins omits mention of the Xfce-Live version. I've been hoping and > expecting this omission to be corrected, but it's been over a week. > > I did find one place: > https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/download/index.html > that offers to "Download Fedora 29 Xfce Desktop", and I have done so. > However, there's no checksum that I've been able to discover. If you had clicked on the download bar, then there's a button that shows up that says "Verify 64 bit". If you click on that, a text file pops up showing the checksums. Pretty obvious if you ask me. > This webpage has a frightening all-black notice: > Although this spin failed to compose for the final release, this > test compose contains fixes over the final content to allow for a > successful compose and should meet most users' needs. You can verify > the test compose image with a dedicated CHECKSUM file for 64-bit and > 32-bit images. > > I would be grateful for someone to translate this into plain English. It means exactly what it says...it didn't compose properly before the release occurred. It's possible that there was an upstream package that hadn't been updated in time or some such thing. > I think it means that there's something wrong with this .iso image, > but I can use it, maybe. It works. I have it installed in a VM and a friend has installed it on his main box. There will be issues as there are with any new release (there have been problems with dnf for example--which has nothing to do directly with the desktop). If you're going to use F29, I'd wait for the dust to settle a bit. I never update to a new release for a couple of weeks at least. Red Hat is deeply engrossed in Gnome (yes, I farking hate it as well), so (IMHO) it is what releases (as far as desktops) are based on. Xfce, KDE, LXQT, Mate, all of them are dependent on some upstream stuff that Red Hat doesn't have any control (or much direct influence) over. If they're tardy in getting some component to Fedora in time, the compose doesn't work. > So, what's the story? When can we expect the official F29 Live Xfce .iso > image to become available? I do hope this is not an ominous portent of > things to come, a la KDE. If I had the power, the Live Xfce Spin would > be a release blocker, but I don't. And you won't. There are a lot of things that Red Hat/Fedora do that irritate the hell out of me as well. I also made the point on the developer's list that ANY spin they offer that doesn't compose should be a blocker, but was met with deafening silence. > I realize there's a powerful faction at Redhat that insists that Gnome > is the One True Way. They're wrong. At least you do have other options with Fedora. Not so easy with, say, Ubuntu. Switching desktops on it is a bit more convoluted. I've never tried it myself, but I've heard stories....... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
