On 07/28/2016 11:53 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jul 2016 14:37:41 -0400 > David A. De Graaf wrote: > >> Have I overlooked something obvious? Is there a way to make systemd >> perform the simple function 'shutdown' smoothly, reliably and quickly? >> If anyone knows how, I would love to hear it. > > I can't make systemd itself work, but I've been using an > outside systemd solution for a while now: I setup > an alias for the "reboot" command that arranges to > kill off all the things systemd unreasonably waits > for, then does a real reboot. > > Since systemd now has nothing to stop it, it reboots > rather fast (until something new shows up which I have > to track down and add to my list :-). > > My current set of things to do before shutdown includes: > > umount -l -t nfs -a > apachectl -k stop > kill all the "user deamon" process trees. > > The user daemon stuff is handled by a program > described here: > > http://tomhorsley.com/game/punch.html > > Of course, since (according to the systemd biggest > myths page) systemd is easy to script and not at all > confusing, then it should be trivial for me to script > things so shutdown works this way automatically > without me having to remember to run my alias > in a terminal, but, alas, they don't appear to be > myths at all. I've said it before, systemd is a huge, cumbersome, useless solution looking for a problem. The decision to use this crud was one of the most boneheaded things any distribution (not just RHEL/Fedora) ever chose to adopt. Unfortunately, we're stuck with it now. As far as the NFS unmount issue, this was an interesting dialog that happened in September last year: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1257 So, "but I doubt that lazy unmounting is really a comprehensive solution for anything..." comes from one of the developers. Fine, then when it times out, do a forced umount. This is pretty obvious. The server isn't listening and we (the client) are shutting down. Pull the g*ddamned plug! I'm with David...but this is only one of a litany of stupid decisions systemd makes. It seems that developers nowadays are never taught how (or are simply too lazy) to test for error conditions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - Political Correctness: The insane doctrine that postulates that it - - is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
