On 07/07/2014 04:34 AM, lee wrote: > The authors of systemd don't even understand what "disabled" means. A pretty bold statement. Disabled means the same thing it does in sysvinit: the service won't start at boot time. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd#How_do_I_start.2Fstop_or_enable.2Fdisable_services.3F > When they have all this wrongness, confusion, obfuscation and lack of > clarity and simplicity in the documentation, how could the source of the > program be any better? Why should I think that the design of the > software is any better than the documentation? It's probably far worse. [shrug] When I started learning systemd, I assumed that it was my understanding that was faulty. I studied until I understood it, beginning with the Fedora and Arch docs (which are exellent) and then returning to the systemd documentation, which then made much more sense. > That I don't want to read poor documentation is one thing. That I don't > want to read documentation to do a simple thing --- i. e. start a daemon > --- is another. If not systemd but sysvinit was used, I wouldn't need > to read any documentation to achieve this because I have already read > the documentation. How long did it take you to learn sysvinit and shell scripting? Yes I know, you have to learn something new now. It happens, computer technology does not stand still. > But no, thanks to systemd it's anything but simple to do something > simple, and I'm forced to waste my time with reading poor documentation. As I suggested above, you might find it a good idea to read some more general documentation first before wading into the systemd man pages: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Systemd https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/ http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html http://rhsummit.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/summit_demystifying_systemd1.pdf And to hear it straight from Lennart Poettering: https://access.redhat.com/videos/403833 I highly recommend watching that video from beginning to end. -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
