On 04/22/2014 02:31 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 04/22/2014 07:00 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
On Apr 21, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
IMO, this is *the cause*, why Fedora has lost against its competitors.
I don't agree. Fedora doesn't have competitors.
It's competitors are end-user distros: Debian, openSUSE, Mageia, Arch, Mint, Gentoo, Ubuntu etc..
Again, I don't agree.
If Fedora is losing against anything, it's losing against itself.
Well, Fedora has lost end-users against the distros mentioned above and is loosing contributing users (contributors) against itself.
End-users that Fedora loses against the distros mentioned, I think, is entirely acceptable. Sometimes
Fedora just doesn't fit the bill. I don't think this should be counted as "losing" unless Fedora has failed
in its core mission. Maybe it has, even - but you're not going to discover that by counting people who
stopped using Fedora. You'll discover that by finding out *why* people stopped using Fedora.
You appear to be steeped in the fallacy that when someone stops using Fedora, it means Fedora has
lost. It *can* mean Fedora has lost, but there has to be something more than just stopping using it.
For example, I stopped using Fedora because it was a moving target and broke far too much when
doing upgrades. This could be a "loss". If I had stopped using Fedora because I wanted something
much more stable to run a production server on... that's not a loss. It's actually a win, because I
would have found something more useful to me, and Fedora would have lost a user who was not using
Fedora in the way it was designed/intended to be used.
Put more succinctly, there are some users that Fedora should lose because they are only using Fedora
based on a lack of understanding of what Fedora is trying to accomplish. And conversely, there are
some people who are marketing Fedora based on that same misunderstanding, and causing damage
to the "brand".
Right - IMO, Fedora is in crisis, one primarily made @RH.
Agreed, but I don't think we would agree on exactly what the crisis is.
--Russell
As far as I am concerned, there is a distro for everyone, and if someone
decides to "jump ship" from Fedora to another distro, then that's fine.
As stated earlier by another person, it's better that a person move to a
distro that they will use in the fashion it was meant to be used in,
than they remain in Fedora's "camp" missing the point. As for the
crisis? I don't think there is that much of one...Fedora will continue
to be Red Hat's "Incubator" for whatever programs or packages it may
want to integrate into future versions of R.H.E.L. and the users who
install it and use it will benefit from this. Those who don't want to be
a part of that, or who choose to go a different route are free to do so
at their leisure...IMHO
EGO II
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