On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 04/22/2014 07:00 AM, Russell Miller wrote: >> >> On Apr 21, 2014, at 9:52 PM, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> IMO, this is *the cause*, why Fedora has lost against its competitors. >>> >> >> I don't agree. Fedora doesn't have competitors. > > It's competitors are end-user distros: Debian, openSUSE, Mageia, Arch, Mint, Gentoo, Ubuntu etc.. > Again, I don't agree. > >> If Fedora is losing against anything, it's losing against itself. > Well, Fedora has lost end-users against the distros mentioned above and is loosing contributing users (contributors) against itself. > End-users that Fedora loses against the distros mentioned, I think, is entirely acceptable. Sometimes Fedora just doesn't fit the bill. I don't think this should be counted as "losing" unless Fedora has failed in its core mission. Maybe it has, even - but you're not going to discover that by counting people who stopped using Fedora. You'll discover that by finding out *why* people stopped using Fedora. You appear to be steeped in the fallacy that when someone stops using Fedora, it means Fedora has lost. It *can* mean Fedora has lost, but there has to be something more than just stopping using it. For example, I stopped using Fedora because it was a moving target and broke far too much when doing upgrades. This could be a "loss". If I had stopped using Fedora because I wanted something much more stable to run a production server on... that's not a loss. It's actually a win, because I would have found something more useful to me, and Fedora would have lost a user who was not using Fedora in the way it was designed/intended to be used. Put more succinctly, there are some users that Fedora should lose because they are only using Fedora based on a lack of understanding of what Fedora is trying to accomplish. And conversely, there are some people who are marketing Fedora based on that same misunderstanding, and causing damage to the "brand". >> > Right - IMO, Fedora is in crisis, one primarily made @RH. > Agreed, but I don't think we would agree on exactly what the crisis is. --Russell -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
