On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 16:40 +0000, Andreas M. Kirchwitz wrote: > Arthur Dent <misc.lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > I have read this page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail > > Yes, Fedora's great plan of no default sendmail basically means that > they simply do no longer install sendmail (default MTA). That's all. > > All software (crond, raid-check, logwatch etc.) still sends mail, > but now it just gets silently deleted. > > A good concept for system design would have taken into account that > software needs new configuration on how to deal with the information > that was sent out via mail previously. There's no point in still having > all software configured to send out mail but not installing an MTA. > That doesn't solve the problem. > > > Without a functioning MTA how can I now achieve the same result? > > Although I can ssh into the box, and I do often check logs etc, it is > > reassuring to know when something has happened I would get an email, and > > the regular output in email-form from logwatch was something I would > > check every day. > > > > Can I get this functionality back without the pain of configuring > > postfix or (shudder) sendmail? If so how? > > Fedora still offers MTA software, eg sendmail, in their repositories > (so you get all security updates, bug fixes etc.) After your fresh > installation of F20 you could simply run "yum install sendmail" and > have the exact same setup as all the years before. > > However, I agree, that having a full-blown MTA on a desktop PC is > somewhat weird. I've tried to go with "msmtp" (supported by Fedora). > It's basically a "mail forwarder". It offers a "sendmail"-style > binary and forwards all input to a preconfigured SMTP host (each > user can have its own configuration). > > At first, "msmtp" looked like a good solution, but the configuration > overhead was much higher than putting a smart-host in sendmail.cf. > > Finally, I got msmtp working but I'm still not really happy > (it doesn't rewrite destination addresses for aliased forwards, > and that's a big problem with today's spam filters), so I will > revert to sendmail in F21. > > Alternatively, you could install procmail and reconfigure all > software to use procmail instead of sendmail to handle mail. > Procmail allows delivery to local mailboxes if that's all you need. > In my setup, I don't want local mail on my desktop PCs (that's > indeed useless) but have all mail forwarded to a SMTP smart-host > (where my primary mail-account is located). > > Another alternative is mailx. It even allows for remote > delivery. Sounds really cool. But totally fails on SMTP servers > with self-signed certificates. That's uncool. > > In any case, reconfiguring all software to use something different > than the old-school "sendmail" binary requires more time than just > installing (and configuring) sendmail itself. > > As long as Fedora still officially supports sendmail in their > repositories, all is well. Thanks for that. I agree with much of what you say. If you still have my very first message in this thread you will notice that I have a fetchmail->procmail->dovecot setup. I didn't make it clear in that message, but this machine is not a desktop, but a small home server where I collect mail from various different ISPs and filter/deliver it to the users (my family members). So I am already using procmail. I did try yum install'ing postfix, but that seemed to bounce all my mail - something that terrified me. All this machine really does is collect POP/IMAP mail from various ISPs, it is not a full-blown mail-server. I really don't want an MTA. If I could get by with fetchmail-> procmail alone I would (and in fact that seems to work for outside mails coming in). What I was missing was the system messages and cron output in the form of emails, which I really rely on for keeping tabs on what is happening with this machine. For that - it seems - I need an MTA (or do I?). Anyway - if you see the final message in the the original thread you will see that, following a reboot, I now appear to have cron mail once again. Thanks for all your help. Mark -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
