On 03/24/2014 04:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 24 March 2014 15:02, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 03/24/2014 03:12 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
/usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would
not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and
/sbin but to use symlinks instead.
I think that's a very 1980s, or early-1990s, way of looking at it.
C'mon, feeling something is oldfashioned is hardly an answer.
Well, actually, sometimes, yes, it is. Same as the decision to drop
support for i386 from the kernel, or the fact that no installers
default to ext2 any more.
These aren't old-fashioned, these are technically out-dated. Makes a
huge difference!
Having been able to have /usr on a separate partition was a valuable
feature, which now has gone lost. IMNSHO, ruined by naive, inexperienced
kids (to use the same tone as you did), who were overwhelmed by the
additional complexity supporting this feature had required.
I am not saying you're wrong, merely that I personally haven't seen a
use or need for it since about 1989 and I found the reasoning for its
collapse and merger to be sound.
The fact you haven't encountered it doesn't mean there are no use cases.
Just think about non-desktop HW (e.g. phones, tablets, routers,
switches, NASes), which usually are equipped with different types of
memory, being used for different purposes ("Linux as firmware").
Wrong. You are forgetting about systems booting from SD-Cards, USB-sticks
and other forms of non-volatile memory.
Is Fedora a suitable OS for such hardware?
Definitely. Such setups are not uncommon on servers and are even sold by
big brands. e.g. HP.
E.g. the HP ProLiant N36/40/54L - These are equipped with a built-in
usb-2 socket, designated to take an USB-stick to boot the OS from.
Similar setups also aren't uncommon on HTPCs, NAS-boxes and similar
boxes where "non-data partition"-filesystem performance is not of much
importance.
Wrong. Most servers typically are headless, and if they have a graphic
card-build-in, it's usually inaccessible or unused.
I am actually an IT professional - no, honestly, really I am - and
every single rackmount server I've used in the last few years still
has an SVGA port on it.
But is it used, is it really accessed? I guess no.
Also think about NASes or boxes being used as routers. No need for
graphics on them.
Right, there is no strong necessity, nevertheless having these still would
make sense.
There was an argument; it was decided not. I wasn't involved. I happen
to agree, but I can't change it, so there's no point telling me! :¬)
I disagree.
Yeah, I guessed. :¬)
IMNSHO, UsrMove was a prominent epic fail in the long serious
faulty decisions Fedora's leadership has committed.
We-eeeelll... I am not sure that I could overall disagree with the
general thrust of your argument there. :¬)
No need to do so. RH has implemented facts which have rendered this
discussion moot. IMO, some hidden cabal at RH had decided to pick the
ancient (> 20 years old) idea to abandon separate partions for /usr and
/ and to sell it as "revolutionary novelty", instead of shooting it down
such proposals as "Windows way of thinking", as it has been done for 20
years before :)
Ralf
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