On Feb 27, 2014, at 4:42 PM, lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "Lars E. Pettersson" <lars@xxxxxxxx> writes: > >> On 02/26/14 19:23, lee wrote: >>> What is the purpose of this log duplication? When systemd has its own >>> logs, it doesn´t seem necessary to duplicate them by sending their >>> contents to syslogd. >> >> One could also ask why systemd duplicates the logging formerly only >> done by syslogd. >> >> For me looking through my ASCII-based text-logs created by syslogd is >> far faster than using journalctl. Things that takes over 25 minutes >> with journalctl, only takes 66 seconds grepping the syslogd logs. (see >> bug 1047719, that no-one seems to care about) >> >> ASCII-based logs can be read by anybody using any editor. To read the >> journal you need journalctl, or similar program, as the journal is >> binary and not readily readable. >> >> Another reason is that there still exist programs/daemons/etc. that >> rely on the logs in /var/log. >> >> If you do not like syslogd, well F20 does not ship it anymore... > > What I don´t like is unnecessary double logging and hidden log files > that cannot be read without special software, like binary ones. > > How do I disable these binary logs and have everything logged with > syslogd? You can't turn off systemd-journald anymore than you can turn off systemd. It's an integrated function. If you don't like the journal you can install syslog-nd or rsyslog. > > How do they think users will ever get a working system with no logging > and not even an mta installed? It's an old argument, most users don't have a hard requirement on syslog or an mta, therefore they aren't installed by default but they're still in the repo and you can manually install them. Easy fix. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
