Tim: >> Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them): >> >> "If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product." Richard Vickery: > A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of > the office of citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your > advertiser has just stated in this quote that slavery is alive and > well. Is it not time to rethink this? I think you've gone way off tangent with the civil rights response. I was just talking about free email services, which aren't offices of government, but business enterprises. I'm not saying it's a good thing, that *you* are the product, I'm just pointing out the circumstances. It's how capitalism works. Just about all of these things exist to make money. There are very few totally altruistic enterprises, and even Red Hat is using us with Fedora for their own purposes. Either they make you pay for the product, or they make someone else pay for it. And to make someone else pay for it, they provide them with a service that satisfies them, too. And how would they do that? By *using* you. Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery has been abolished, it's just changed. Think about this: Are you self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job? Is your land large enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water, or is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else, usually) to survive. If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and independent, then you're not really free. In this day and age, many of us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages. And we're slaves to the government, one way or another. We have to have a job to pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from us. A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they want to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of distributing the cost across the population. > At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university. That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the opportunity pass. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists. George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
