Chris Murphy <lists <at> colorremedies.com> writes: > > > On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:42 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" <lars <at> homer.se> wrote: > > > On 01/02/2014 11:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Yes, all critical notifications are supposed to stay persistent. That > >> is the right model to alert desktop users about anything relevant enough > >> to bother them with. Not emails. > > > > Works OK on a desktop, but how is the home server use case, where the user is not logged in on the computer, > supposed to be handled? > > > > Regarding emails. I still have not gotten any response from anyone on how to handle the output from, as an > example, cron, logwatch, etc. Hopefully someone could tell how that is supposed top be taken care of now > that the MTA is removed. > > If you like the MTA method of being notified, install an MTA. Simple. You have been told this numerous times > so don't say you haven't gotten any responses. > > > That would involve both adding to the journal, and notify the user, and/or other actions. Shouldn't that > have been addressed *before* removing the MTA? > > No because no one was getting messages with the MTA unless they went looking for them in the first place. And > now they merely have one more step which is installing the MTA of their choice, which for a lot of Fedora > users wasn't sendmail anyway. > > Sendmail was taking up space on the install media, on users computers, for no benefit for the vast majority > of users. I don't know how many times this has to be said - look at the number of unique individuals involved > in the conversation in this thread? It's less than a dozen. So we're talking thousands of users, and less > than 12 give a crap whether an MTA is installed by default or not. It's really close to zero people care about it. > > Chris Murphy Chris - This is as close as I can get to the "end" of this discussion since I get the digest so it will have to do. I've seen you claim over and over that "no one" uses e-mail for system notifications. This is the exact opposite of my experience (30+ years with computers, 25+ years with Unix systems and 15+ years with Linux including currently working as a Linux/Unix engineer). Do you have *ANY* independently verifiable numbers to back up your claim? My experience has been that Linux newbies don't know about root e-mail and go whining on various discussion boards about how they didn't know that there was a problem until someone points them to root e-mail and e-mail aliases. If these are the "no one uses e-mail" people you're claiming is "everyone" then you're listening to the wrong people. Or is it just that these are the people you agree with? Personally, I find the Windows practice of hiding notifications behind an inscrutable "event log" interface to be far, far worse than getting e-mail notifications. I'll take logwatch e-mails any day over an event log since it also lets me watch for trends or anomalies that may not break a reporting threshold. Likewise, I compare the typical event API notification to being like the "idiot lights" most cars come with. You know, the "over temperature" light that comes one AFTER steam is coming out from under the hood or the tire pressure warning light that comes on as you pull off the road with a flat? I have not had the displeasure of trying F-20 without an MTA yet. When I do, I will install an MTA so I can monitor the system the same way I monitor my other systems. I just hope I don't have to write a perl script to take output from journalctl and e-mail me when something important happens. Cheers, Dave -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
