Re: Writing English.

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On Nov 24, 2013, at 6:15 AM, Andrew Haley <aph@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 11/23/2013 03:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Andrew Haley <aph@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary
>>>> and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford
>>>> English makes such a big distinction between two words that share
>>>> the same etymology and have no good reason for meaning different
>>>> things.
>>> 
>>> I doubt it.  Fowler is pretty definite:
>>> 
>>> "Alternative (offering a choice) had formerly also the sense now
>>> belonging only to alternate (by turns); now that the differentiation
>>> is complete, confusion is even less excusable than between definite
>>> and definitive."
>> 
>> Sounds like someone at Fowler has a bone to pick, but they've gone
>> out too far on a limb. There is a clear differentiation between
>> definite and definitive that most anyone can easily understand, yet
>> they're proposing there's an even greater distinction between
>> alternate and alternative that no one would care about.
> 
> Well, Fowler's Modern English Usage is Oxford Dictionaries' reference
> work on English usage, so I can say without any reasonable fear of
> successful contradiction that when you "seriously doubt even
> Oxford English makes such a big distinction" you surely are wrong.

You're late to the party, it's already been brought up, so I really don't see your point at all.
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2013-November/442622.html

In any case the usage section here clarifies:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/alternative?q=alternative

And even for alternate, whose 2nd definition for the adjective form equates to alternative, chiefly meaning not exclusively. So you can complain all you want about a silly distinction being blurred all you want. The relevant dictionaries have certified actual usage and the fact that arguing about it is a lost cause. And keep in mind the suggestion isn't that the two words are always interchangeable, merely in the context of being "available as another choice".


Chris Murphy
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