Am 22.09.2013 18:00, schrieb drago01: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01: >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: >>>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>>>>> Ed Greshko wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. >>>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, >>>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence. >>>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a >>>>>>> coincidence? >>>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. >>>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. >>>>> >>>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels? >>>> >>>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default >>> >>> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19? >> >> no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines > > You seem to care enough to write mails about it. yes, becuase i am not that asshole some think and care about others i wish the future users have the same chance to learn things as i had in the past >>> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown >>> people will not automatically know what the options there mean. >> >> no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand >> hide it does not make this better > > Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything. then *explain* the menu instead hide it >>> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by) >>> default" now? >> >> no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a >> already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they >> never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel >> by hide it > > You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer this makes no sense why do you have to learn it? because there is a menu giving you options? does this menu *force* someobody to learn? how would it be able to demand anything from a user? > I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to > disagree instead of having a useless "discussion". if Fedora Core would have had the same attitude than today i would never have switched to Linux completly - this boot option where people say nobody needs to see it saved my first machine and a lot of time for me because it did not boot after a kernel update and so i took the only working thing: a menu at begin i agree in a perfect world you would not need it but this perfect world doe snot exist but you are not in the position than *anybody* else to guarantee that a kernel update will never have regresions, not now and not in the future >> if the affected machine is their only one they also have >> no chance to ask for help and are lost >> >> P.S.: >> do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension >> is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension! > > OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed > until they are resolved. > Giving negative karma here is common practice not common, bad practice at least in that case
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