On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 1:45 PM, lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "D. Hugh Redelmeier" <hugh@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: > >> | From: Tom Horsley <horsley1953@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> | How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk >> | drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"? >> | (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push the reset button :-). >> | >> | No power on earth could get me to click "Done" under those circumstances >> | when installing on a system that contains data I want to preserve. >> | Only after trying the install on a totally trashable test system >> | did I find that "Done" actually means, "OK, now you get to pick >> | partitions." >> | >> | I don't have enough trust available to believe that they surely >> | won't actually wipe out the whole disk (especially when every >> | other part of the redesign has been to reduce or eliminate options). >> >> I find the installer confusing. I would need to take a movie of using >> it so I can actually accurately report the confusion. But here goes >> an unreliable report: >> >> When you are selecting the disk(s) for the installer, you are NOT >> selecting the partitions. I think that Tom didn't know this and hence >> was scared by this screen. With good reason: I don't remember that >> this was explained clearly on the screen. > > Yes, it tells you that your disks won't be touched before you click on > the Done button, and the obvious conclusion is that it may touch them > once you click it, possibly overwriting your data. > > When you're finished partitioning, it tells you it won't touch anything > before you click the Finish button. Apparently they have taken care not > to overwrite your data, but this part of the installer needs a thorough > redesign. Even after trying it, I would not trust the installer not to > overwrite data when I click on the Done button. > > If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I > wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either. Not clicking that > button means no install. That means no install when you have data on > disks you cannot physically disconnect before trying to install. > >> Everything is obvious in retrospect. Too bad we don't travel the >> right way in time for that to be good enough. > > Nothing is obvious, imho. I almost gave up trying to install Fedora > because it didn't seem possible to get the partitioning I wanted. > > The installer tries to do the partitioning for you. It totally ignores > that you may want to have your partitions in a particular order, like > swap partitions first because that may be faster. It totally ignores > that you may want a particular partition --- like for /home --- on a > different disk. > > What you need to do is run cfdisk or the like and create your partitions > before running the installer. Then you need to get the installer to use > the partitioning you created, and it is kinda the opposite of obvious > how to that. I only found out by chance when looking at the screen, > asking myself which distribution to try out instead. > > There also needs to be a way to go back once you started partitioning. > You have to quit the installer and start over every time you're not > happy with the partitioning it tries to do. > > You're probably screwed when you need LVM or software raid or encryption > with the partitioning you need. Is there any way to get that? Can you > install Fedora on software raid with the partitioning you need? And can > you do that with encrypted partitions? > >> Anaconda(?) really needs to cue the user about its state: the user >> needs to know when it is busy and the screen doesn't yet reflect >> the user's last action. This comes up in more than one situation so I >> infer that it is a general Anaconda problem. > > I didn't have the waiting time you experienced, and at no time I felt > that the progress wasn't shown. The installation went fast (from an USB > stick) and flawless and everything worked out of the box. > > Other than the partitioning and the installer not using the keyboard > layout I specified, I'm really impressed. > >> Anaconda's screens need to be more wordy to make things clearer >> and less scary to the user. > > Yes, it is not at all clear in any way at which point your disks might > be touched. > > And there needs to be something like an option for extended partitioning > that allows you to do whatever you want. Having the installer do it for > you is a nice option to have and it's not enough. > > On a side note, you can now put /usr onto its own partition like it > should be. > > > -- > Fedora 18 > -- Why not install it and make partitions at a later time? -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
