Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

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On 07/08/2013 08:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Alexander Volovics wrote:

Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est:
'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'.

First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the
other long-winded and turgid).
By browsing these you would have known about 'manual partitioning',
'keeping existing partitions', 'choosing desktops', etc. in the new
anaconda setup.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Quick_Start_Guide/index.html

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/index.html
Reflect before you 'rant'.
Je ne suis pas d'accord.

The complaint was completely justified.
The default should never be to make a dramatic change,
unless this is essential.
The default should always be to leave things as they are,
as far as possible.

But even if you don't accept that,
and also believe users should read
what looks like a 100-page document before installing
(in general, the people who write Fedora installation manuals
are somewhat deficient in common sense,
believing that the more information given the better),
I don't actually see in the manuals you refer to
any statement of how to avoid automatic re-partitions.
Both show the same screen shot, and then say
----------------------
Figure 9.17. Disk Partitioning Setup

On this screen you can choose to create the default partition layout
automatically, or choose to partition storage devices manually
to create a custom layout.
----------------------
But I don't see anything on the screen shot as shown
offering this choice.



And this is why I started looking for upgrade methods. It became clear to me that Anaconda now existed for one purpose only: to make a fresh install of the entire partition system and force the system administrator to restore the /home system from backup, or else store all users' files on paired servers. All very well in the enterprise but /not/ for the individual user running a system at home (as in "domicile").

I can understand--just barely--deciding that using Anaconda to upgrade an existing installation had too many problems, and now you had this new, nifty tool called "fedup" that could handle that sort of upgrade. What I cannot understand is forcing a complete reformat of the hard drive just because you want a fresh re-installation. It's bad enough having to re-install every application you had (and risking forgetting what applications you had loaded on the old system) without having to write down military-grade login username and password to restore /home/everyuser from online backup. (Not to mention that this solution costs money.)

And avoiding that reformat shouldn't have to mean "going through the back door."

Temlakos
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