Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

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On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 21:53:22 -0400 Doug <dmcgarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 07/08/2013 09:23 PM, Frank McCormick wrote:
> > On 07/08/2013 09:09 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >> On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 20:55:06 -0400
> >> Fred Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't understand,.. I had no trouble installing F19 on a system where
> >>> I did NOT want to wipe out all the partitions, just some of them...
> >> How did you get past the screen that only lets you pick a whole disk
> >> drive then, as the only possible option after that, click "Done"?
> >> (Or, as I did the first time I saw it, push the reset button :-).
> >>
> >> No power on earth could get me to click "Done" under those circumstances
> >> when installing on a system that contains data I want to preserve.
> >> Only after trying the install on a totally trashable test system
> >> did I find that "Done" actually means, "OK, now you get to pick
> >> partitions."
> >>
> >> I don't have enough trust available to believe that they surely
> >> won't actually wipe out the whole disk (especially when every
> >> other part of the redesign has been to reduce or eliminate options).
> > 
> >     I thought I was the only one who didn't trust the installer :)
> > 
> >     Took me 3 tries before I finally figured out how to get Fedora 19 
> > onto a HD
> > with two clean existing partitions which had been pre-formatted with ext4.
> > For 10 minutes I lived in fear the installer was going to wipe the disk 
> > clean and
> > destroy Windows 7 (my wife would have killed me!) . I am retired and 
> > have been around Linux in various
> > incarnations for close to 15 years.Sorry but it is not user friendly.  
> > But I still love Fedora :)
> > 
> > 
> I just installed Korora 19 the other day. It must use the same
> installer, and I went thru the same sort of problems. I had originally
> created and formatted a / and a /home partition, but I had a devil of a
> time getting the installer to let me direct the system to these.
> Whoever is responsible for this installer should be tied in front
> of a Windows machine for the next 6 months or so as punishment!

Liked this:-)

While I don't quite understand the rationale behind this new installer
(started in F18), the installer itself is a hit-or-miss. Sometimes,
after a lot of cursing, I have been successful, later coming back
after months, I have been at sea. Trouble is that even when it has
worked, I have not always been sure how i got wherever. There are some
radio-buttons and if you click the correct ones in the correct but
seemingly arbitrary order, you can get there. Many of these icons are
hard to see, harder to understand. And since no one has access to
installation notes when installing (it has been suggested a requirement
of having two machines -- reminds me of that now-retired well-minted
sage who did not, in the mid-90s, think it was a problem that his
commercial OS was requiring so much resources, because of course they
should get a newer machine), what would be helpful is clearer
instructions such as a bubble when mousing over. This already exists
(the information part, not the clearer or useful part).

Btw, what was the need for this obtuse installer? The old one was
perfect: could that not have been improved upon for whatever was
missing? But on the other hand, something named anaconda should perhaps
have justified its name in the first place, something which it appears
to have finally achieved.....for that, the developers, whose work I am
very grateful for, need to be given some leave for feeling some
satisfaction!

Best wishes,
Ranjan

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