As I see it, Fedora is head & shoulders above "Windows "X" crowd! It
might not be pretty, or as effective as something that's existed before,
but for the money (NONE!..LoL!) Fedora is AWESOME! I too had to get used
to the Gnome 3 desktop environment, but I now LOVE it! I move around in
it intuitively and sometimes without even having to concentrate! Then
when I have to get on my brothers laptop, running Windows 7....I'm LOST!
LoL! The developers can only please SO many people before it starts to
get out of hand. Imagine if just a few users complained about something
in Gnome, and the developers changed it, then the MAJORITY complained
about the change, and the developers "put it back", then yet ANOTHER
group of people complained about something ELSE......see how this would
be a never ending wheel of insanity!?
EGO II
On 06/15/2012 09:21 AM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:
On 06/15/2012 05:00 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
I'm not actually entirely convinced. I do have a bugzilla account on
Gnome, I can go and email the list there. However, the model where I
decide (me and a few thousand other people) that I don't like one
particular minor feature of Gnome and should go to their mailing list,
sign up to send one email moaning about it and never show up again
doesn't strike me as the best method. Fedora, it has been pointed out,
is the distro that pushes new gnome. If the Fedora maintainers have a
good relationship with gnome then perhaps they can more productively
pass on the message 'actually our users have a big problem with this,
please reconsider' than a horde of Fedora users descending on the
gnome development list. Especially since the gnome people do sometimes
seem to think individual users opinions a bit irrelevant.
It might be possible to get the Fedora developers to behave as user
advocates before some other group of developers, though I don't think
that this role is part of the job description of developer, nor
otherwise natural to it.
Whether we have N users complaining here or N users complaining on the
Gnome development list, we are still talking about N users
complaining. So it really isn't a choice of a bunch of users
complaining here versus a solitary user complaining there. Granted
that an audience might irrationally discount N individual complaints,
yet attend to a summary statistic from some third party; but they
might also irrationally discount a summary statistic while being moved
by N individual complaints.
However, as I noted in an earlier message, the Gnome shell developers
designed shell 3 with the idea that users have been doing things the
wrong way, as opposed to designing it in service to the way that users
want to do things. (If you doubt that claim, then please review an
archive of their mailing list.) This isn't simply a matter of not
taking some particular user as unrepresentative; it is a matter of
trying to re-engineer the typical user. "Our users are unhappy with
<behaviour>" would not seem to be a persuasive argument to them.
I'd be rather distressed were I to learn that the Fedora developers
had a comfortable relationship with the Gnome developers.
This list is a good place to discuss and say 'this works well on
Fedora' or 'this doesn't work well on Fedora'.
Yes, but that's certainly not the same thing as seeking to have it
modified for Fedora users.
If there's no effective place to try and get Fedora fixed...
...then it might be time to change distributions.
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