> Even if this goes extremely bad, firmwares will be hacked. The tech > world always goes on with technical solutions, whether the politics > follow or not. I mean this thing affects *everyone*, it's not a lost fight. Oh certainly: one of the nastier effects of this (and it didn't start with EFI and 'secure' boot but with Android) is that people are now hoarding kernel security holes rather than reporting them. Previously bad guys hoard them, good ones fixed them. Now everyone is hoarding them so end user security will suffer drastically. > > > I am sure MS will use this for the Windows 9 era to say "See secure boot > > works for everyone, now make it mandatory". Matthew Garrett > > unintentionally just gave them everything they needed to continue that > > plan. > > I think that's a little fallacious and a big shortcut. I've spent over ten years watching this particular game through things like Palladium and other regulatory arsekicking along the way. The next step being worked through standards bodies involves application layer lockdown and extending lockdown to the web (things like making trusted hardware in the system sign a certificate to prove the web server is talking to a locked down device) - so as to shut out things like unwanted copying by end users. Alan -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org