On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:10:00 +0100, RC (Ralf) wrote: > [...] Playing down the issues and to wipe them under the carpet > doesn't help anybody. Who's "playing down the issues"? Don't make up such things. These issues are a topic not just on this mailing-list, but in (all?) Fedora related community support channels. Clearly they are not hidden under the carpet. That's enough bad publicity, and 3rd party repos add additional broken deps. Still one doesn't need to post sarcastic comments or misinterpret/misunderstand the reason for the broken dependency. It's simply wrong to conclude that testers should have noticed it. > Fact is: After all these years Fedora is around, rel-eng is still > pushing packages with broken deps, despite QA and AutoQA, and Fedora's > bureaucracy. And one thing still hasn't changed either: if this is your pet peeve issue, why haven't you done anything in all these years that extends the existing infrastructure with the missing feature? Yeah, I know this is the "put up or shut up" game I'm playing here - sometimes it's necessary to go down that road. > I am not blaming the alsa-utils/libs packager(s), I am blaming those > people who are supposed to assure the distros' releases and updates are > consistent. I only added that pushing inter-dependent updates as multiple bodhi tickets makes it harder (if not impossible) for existing testers to catch broken deps like this. The testers run with updates-testing enabled and don't see any "yum update" failures, because everything needed is found. It would be insane to request them to check low-level package deps manually. If inter-package dependencies are so strict and only the package maintainer knows the order in which to push individual packages (which are supposed to be backwards compatible!), karma automatism in bodhi could have been turnt off. No need to rush. The full ALSA stuff could have spent much more time in updates-testing before pushing it manually. Also, if testers have tested alsa-utils *with* the needed new alsa-lib, why let push alsa-utils without the needed alsa-lib? -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
