Thomas Cameron wrote: > Now, I absolutely understand the OP's and others' echoed concerns and > frustrations. I don't like bugs any more than the next guy. But I feel > like maybe there's some round hole/square peg going on here. Fedora, > almost by definition, will be bleeding edge and therefore, somewhat > buggy. I find this "bleeding edge" excuse for bugs really annoying. If you fire a rocket at the moon and it falls in the Pacific you can't just say "I'm so ambitious", you ought to say something like "Maybe I should make sure the bolts are all tight before I fire the rocket next time". I don't agree that Fedora is going downhill - I've used every version I think - some upgrades have been easy and others have had major problems. But I've never had an upgrade which I found unusable as I find Fedora-16, for the simple reason that KMail2 doesn't work. I could go over to Thunderbird, certainly. But I find it easier to go back to Fedora-15, especially since I had kept it on another partition. I found the contrast with the upgrade to Centos-6 (which I run on 3 home servers, with Fedora on laptops) quite striking - not a single problem, or even difficulty, with the Centos-6 installations. So please, less of the "bleeding edge" excuse. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines