On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Thomas Cameron <thomas.cameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 11/13/2011 01:15 AM, JB wrote: >> Hi, >> >> every Fedora release is going downhill ... > > Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical > improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services, more and > more features and performance per release. You are both correct but you are looking at the result from different perspectives. Many technical improvements do happen and they are admired by those who *later* use them in an enterprise distribution. At the same time many of those same improvements are despised by direct users of Fedora. Bringing value to the enterprise and bringing value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. This disconnect I see almost every day within the Fedora community which has large groups of people from both camps. I've said it before and I am going to say it again now - any definition of the target audience of Fedora that doesn't include enterprise users is wrong as it is clear to everyone looking that enterprise users are certainly an important part of the target audience. Enterprise users need to understand Fedora isn't just for them and Fedora users need to understand Fedora isn't just for them either. It is a corporate/community project, both parts of that relationship have a stake and both need to see benefits and progress that affect them in positive ways for the relationship to be sustained. >> Time for Fedora to decouple from RH and become quality UNIX-like distro on >> its own ? > > And what? All the engineers at Red Hat develop new tech in Fedora. Where > do you propose those new technologies come from if Red Hat splits off? While I am not agreeing with the suggested split, the Red Hat developers won't stop working upstream as they do now if Fedora doesn't exist as it does today. Red Hat's contributions of new technologies really aren't Fedora specific. Those happen upstream and are included in Fedora and other distributions as those distributions choose. Trying to make them Fedora specific isn't a good way to make contributions of new technologies. >> Linux distros: >> http://w3techs.com/technologies/history_details/os-linux/all/y > > Without knowing a *lot* about how this information was gathered, it's > meaningless. > >> Fedora, Red Hat: >> http://www.google.com/trends?q=fedora%2C+redhat&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 > > These trends are pretty meaningless. Less searches on a technology don't > necessarily mean the technology is on the wane. It could very well be > that people are more comfortable so they're not Googling as much. Or > that they know to go straight to the most popular Fedora sites or the > Red Hat portal. One thing that is meaningful is that the Fedora Project has many people who believe Fedora is becoming less relevant to its defined target audience. And those who believe this aren't just end users of Fedora. > Red Hat as a company is poised to be a billion dollar company this year > (FY12). The FY 2006 earnings were $278.3 million.[1] That's a 4X > increase in just 6 years. That's *amazing* growth. What does this have to do with Fedora or the relationship between Red Hat and Fedora? > Look at things like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics, which > indicate that downloads and torrents are going up with each release, not > down. Maybe look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legacy_statistics to see that downloads and torrents are not going up with each release. While these statistics don't really concern me one way or the other, we do have periods of growth and decline that is evident in the available statistics. John -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
