> As with most things, it's easy when you know the tricks. I hope these >teething troubles don't discourage you. Teething Troubles--It's like climbing up a sand dune. This protecting me from myself is getting terribly frustrating. I want to do work not continually chase the user interface. I was happy with fvwm but it has become moribund. KDE3 worked fine but KDE4 is awful. I switched to GNOME now leaving for xfce4. Along the way the administration of my systems is gone. A terminal session switched to root with "su -" can't start a program needing the display reliably no matter which desktop is used. Analogous to kdesu, single programs can be started with sudo but an xterm started that way cannot start a next level gui program. Sometimes the DISPLAY variable can be reset and get the "su -" root session to inherit the display. A real hassle when trying to compile, install and debug. Even CENTOS is following the pack. Robert McBroom -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines