On 09/05/2011 11:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > If there were more people helping out with QA > and backporting patches then I'm sure most developers would let people > do the updates for them, but the reality is nobody is willing to do > the work. As I've mentioned before, I haven't done any programming in over a decade, and when I did, it wasn't for Linux and it certainly wasn't the type needed. At this point, helping out with tech support (I got a job doing it, once, and found that I was not only good at it, I enjoyed it.) and reporting bugs to Bugzilla is the best way I can help out and pay back the community for all I've gotten. As far as the programming goes, I suspect that most of us on the list are in the same position: not enough experience in the specific field needed. On a side note, all too many of the devs either expect everybody else to know how to program as well as they do, or use the comment "If you don't like it, why don't you fix it yourself?" as a putdown to the rest of us who don't agree with what they've done, or would like minor changes made. I doubt that this message will change anything, and I don't expect it to, but I would hope that those of us on this list would keep in mind the fact that most of us wouldn't know how to patch/modify a complex program if their lives depended on it and find more helpful suggestions. (Pointing people toward the correct dev's email list may or may not be helpful depending on the list's attitude, but it's probably better than nothing.) -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines