On 9/2/2011 6:06 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote: > On 09/02/2011 02:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and >> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users >> that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think alot of the >> feedback on this forum has shown that the cliche of "not ready for prime >> time" is valid for a significant number of folks hitting Gnome3 in F15. >> >> Full disclosure comment: I have not moved to F15 because of what I have >> read on this forum. I am hoping F16 gets a better response. >> >> Paul > Fedora is a volunteer organization. What everyone volunteered for is > clearly spelled out. It is hard sometimes keeping up with all the > changes that happen, and sometimes those changes get into Fedora before > they are "not ready for prime time". That is not a bug with Fedora, > that is a feature. It attempts to be the distribution to go to when you > absolutely want the latest with all its warts, and when long term > support is not an issue for you. > > It is very easy to like having all the latest stuff until something > breaks or some new, radically different version of something (big or > small) comes out and disrupts the way you like to work. Every so often > something big changes, like Gnome or KDE, and people start asking the > devs to extend support for their favorite version. Attempts have been > made in the past to provide this sort of support, and they have failed > due to lack of interest in doing the actual work. I am not now, and > have never been, a Fedora dev, but my guess is that any of the ones who > might be inclined to provide longer term support would know the history > and be very wary of even considering it. > > That is why you will often see people on this list recommend that > someone actually choose a disto other than Fedora for their suggested > use case. It is not because the people making the recommendation don't > like Fedora, but that they realize that there are often cases where > concerns about having quick access to the latest software are trumped by > needs for a stable, long term platform. When you make the choice to > install Fedora in an environment that needs long term stability, you are > implicitly assuming extra responsibility and extra effort on your part. > > Woogie Woggie: By using Fedora, I certainly accept everything that you state in your email (and have since FC5). I believe the developers (Fedora, Gnome, KDE, etc.) are making the best decisions they can in moving forward and that, yes, there will be bumps. In my opinion, Gnome3 in Fedora 15 has been a pretty major bump given the continuous threads expressing concern. I feel voicing the concern about wanting to keep F14 supported for just security updates as the original email is valid feedback to the developers about how its user base is viewing this forward progress. They may not be able to do it owing to amount of work involved (and/or other reasons), but the awareness that the noise level on this forum about Gnome3 / F15 is high is important. I wish to clarify that I do not take the original postings view of "waiting for F17". I am gambling on F16 being in alot better shape in regards to all this given awareness of all the concern expressed in many threads. Paul Paul -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
