On 06/20/2011 05:38 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > On 06/20/2011 03:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: >> >>> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> >>>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not >>>> seen discussed on this list. >> >>> I too noted the mouse deprecation in Gnome 3. Besides >>> alienating a large group of users who simply prefer using >>> the mouse over the keyboard when there is a choice, .... >> >> Do you people actually work with Gnome 3. > > Yes. Been using it every day for almost two weeks now. > >> If you are a versatile mouse user I suspect that you can >> actually work just as fast with the mouse as with the keyboard. >> Jab the pointer in the upper left corner, click on an app in the >> dash or swerve to the right and click on 'applications', click on the >> app you need if you see it immediately in this monstrous platoon >> of icons, or go even further to the right and select a category >> (Acessories, Games, etc) and click on an icon there to open an >> app. > > Exactly my complaint. Up to the top right corner to > get the overview, click the Applications button. Then, > from the left side of the screen, a wild, nearly full > width traverse over to the right side to select a > category, then back again to the left side of the > screen to select the icon if it happens to be on the > left. 6 weeks with gnome3 and my left wrist is in a splint. Not going to gamble with my only other arm... > > Compare that to Gnome 2 where I go to the left side > of the screen and click Applications, move the mouse > an inch or two to select a category in the menu, move > another inch or two to select the app. > > Why at least couldn't the Categories list (and scroll > bar) in Gnome 3 be to the left of the icons so that > one encounters it "on the way"? > > Same with workspaces -- up to the extreme left corner, > then all the way to the extreme right side of the > screen to show the WS summary. Now I'm presented > with a bunch of mini-images of workspaces. > Which has the window I want? Can't tell because > all the windows are overlapping. Take best guess > an select one. Now I can see which windows are > in the WS. But damn, they are all white Terminal > windows or similar that look the same. Squint and > see if I can identify some familiar text. > > Eventually, possibly after a couple wrong guesses > I find the window I wanted. > > I am not anti-Gnome 3 -- I am really making an effort > to work with it. But most everything I've read here > recommends avoiding the crazy back and forth mouse > movements by using keyboard shortcuts and as I said > that is not a preferable option for many people. > And even ignoring that there are issues like finding > windows in WS as described. (There are also some real > WTF things like why is the "not found" message presented > on the left side of the screen far from the text search > box on the right side?) > >> When the app is open you jab the mouse pointer in the upper >> left corner again, select the app with the mouse pointer and drag >> it to a workspace, etc. You have everything you ever had, point >> and click, drag and drop, just in a slightly different desktop >> arragement. > > But one that requires far more mouse motion and clicks > than Gnome 2 to do the same operation. > >> From poking around in the Gnome 3 design docs it is > becoming clear to me that no one has actually done > any real usability testing on Gnome 3 or quantitative > comparisons to Gnome 2. > >> [...] >> So on the whole there is no paradigm of keyboard use and Gnome 3 is >> certainly not advertised as such. Read the 'Desktop Help' under the >> ring buoy icon and pay no attention to 'misunderstood marketing jargon >> and hype' and 'biased reporting of opinioted users'. >> Experience it honestly for yourself. > > I have. And that's why I responded in this thread. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
