On 6/12/11 3:36 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > On 6/13/11, Patrick Bartek<bartek047@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > [...] > >> Considered XFCE and LXDE instead, but >> decided the best option was to abandon the Desktop GUI environment >> all-together in favor of a well-featured window manager, simple launch bar >> for most used apps, floating menus for the others, and a terminal or two. I >> don't really need all the other crap. Not even 3D. > Welcome to the club :-) I never understood what these desktop > environments give mankind that a window manager doesn't. <Soapbox drug out of the corner, and James steps up on it> Give you a wonderful clue. Look at DOS/Windows 3.1 and then look at WindowsNT. That is what most users are looking for. They don't care about the command line and really don't want to even mess with it. For those of use 'smart' enough to figure our way around the CLI, we are either considered: 1. Geniuses. 2. Snobs. 3. Arrogant bastards who want the days of the 'Green Door' to come back. Most of the people that I work with are Computer Scientists or Computer Engineers. We are constantly answering questions and most people consider us either 1 or 2. However, if you go out and read the "other Linuxes" forums you will find a group that is slowly but surely calling us, with increasingly poor wording, number 3. The thing is, either you embrace change and adapt to it or you will be crushed. I'll give you a really good example that most of us live with today: Airbags in your automobile. When they were introduced by Mercedes Benz in their 1973 autos, they were considered a death device and were actually banned from sale in the United States. Today, try buying an auto, in most countries without one. Good luck. They are now required in the United States for all passenger type vehicles. This is the same with the desktop system. Either we can embrace and learn how they work and how to work around them, or we can sit there and watch what happens. I, for one, embrace a technology that gives people with less skills the ability to use a superior operating system. Linux can either be the OS/2 of the computing world or the replacement for Microsoft's Windows products. Which do YOU want? I want the latter. I want people to use, with ease, a vastly better OS. We, the community have to be willing to assist those who want that goal. And remember, we have variety. We can CHOOSE to use Gnome3, KDE 4, XFCE or a number of frontends. If we want, we don't have to use ANY of them. That is called convenience, and I like that. <Soupbox off> Folks, we can discuss this to the end. The decision has been made, for us by others, that the desktop will move into the 21st Century. Our thoughts, comments and other such are not even under consideration. In other words, we are wasting our time even talking about it. The best use of our time is to find and report problems that will affect those who do not have the skills we do. We can choose to use other desktop/windowing systems and be happy. All of the grumbling I've read did not and cannot stop RedHat from adopting Gnome 3 or KDE 4 as the primary desktop for Fedora and RHEL. That is and will remain a fact of life. If you feel otherwise, that is your feeling/opinion. Have a great life. James McKenzie -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
