On 07/28/2010 12:12 AM, Alex wrote: >>> Yes, frustrating, particularly when it's one fundamental thing after >>> another, like ethernet detection, printing, and basic networking. >> >> Sure, but it works both ways: sometimes getting up-to-date software >> from upstream fixes bugs that in a more "stable" distro you'd have to >> wait much longer for. For example, I used to have to install the > > Yes, for the most part, I agree. However, I've set up FC13 on at least > three desktops with varying processors, motherboards, ethernet, disks, > etc, and have had problems that would have prevented someone with less > experience than myself from being able to install it. On one of them, > I had to rmmod the forcedeth and r8169 drivers, then modprobe the > r8169 driver in order for it to properly link to the switch, all while > the installer is running. On another, the installer would crash when > making changes to the disk layout. > > I've used Fedora since it was Red Hat, and started with before 4.1, > probably some twelve years ago. The first install was Yggdrasil Linux > on 60 floppy disks on my 80386. I pretty much dropped Linux on the > desktop entirely a number of years ago because I got frustrated with > the lack of progress. > > By mentioning that I've been using Linux a really long time, I don't > mean to imply I'm an expert, but I have quite a bit of experience, and > don't plan on giving up on it ever. I mentioned the forcedeth example > because the board was at least three years old, so it's not like it > was some experimental driver where I'm the first person to use it. OK. > My staff uses Ubuntu on their desktop because "it just works", but I > like RPM better, have been using Red Hat for ever, and believe that > they have better availability to development, new applications, and > wider support for new technologies. > > I'm sure that if I spent the time I could figure out where the problem > is with ghostscript that is causing my printing problems, but that's > not my job any longer. I'm just often very surprised when I see these > "RHCE" guys that can't > troubleshoot these types of problems, and wonder if they're the same > clueless ones that are testing these before RH releases it. > > Thanks for listing to me rant for a bit. The crack about "these RHCE guys" is rather out of order. However, fair enough: everyone's experience is valuable. But while I'm not going to deny your problems, I just haven't had an experience anything like that with any of my boxes. It's inevitable that, with improvements, some things will break with a new release, given the huge range of PC hardware. But I'm not being complacent. Any installation problems like the one you describe are serious. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
