On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Michael Cronenworth <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > inode0 wrote: >> But Fedora doesn't bicker about this. Red Hat doesn't mandate this. >> Fedora as a community makes the decision. So why are we discussing it >> at all? Having transparent governance and community decision making >> does not mean bickering about such things. > > The problem is communication. With Maemo there was none. I can't say > much for Moblin as I haven't been involved at all. We are in the same position here. I haven't followed Moblin either and haven't said much if anything about the Moblin community. I've been a long time internet tablet user, both the N770 and N800 and do follow what is going on in the Maemo community. And I agree communication is a big part of the problem but I don't see how that will ever change when the governance that matters is done outside the Maemo community. >> This sentiment I think everyone shared in the beginning. Give Nokia >> time to learn its way. But they began with old mistakes (core >> controlled by them and the community contributing on the edges, sound >> familiar?) and continue with a governance model that guarantees a >> dysfunctional community that at each sudden jerk feels used. Hope may >> spring eternal but eventually people get discouraged. > > Yes, they are starting out the "same" but you should really Google or > read through some recent (as of this month) posts by @nokia folk that > have posted road maps and such that detail an overhaul of what they want > to accomplish. I'm holding out hope they follow that plan. You're free > to think Nokia won't change. Actually I think Nokia will change. If it doesn't the community it relies on will eventually unravel. I just worry that the change will not be good if it comes after the community gives up. John -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines