> On 07/26/2009 12:28 PM, gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > >> If bugzilla had any effect don't you think that users would stop doing the >> "let's see if this other application works" dance all the time? My feeling >> is bugzilla works only for kernel developers. > > Your feeling is wrong since bugzilla is hardly used by kernel > developers. They use git, which is not really a bugzilla, but bugs do get fixed before release. > If you refuse to file bug reports, what is point of > ranting? It is reaching nowhere. > >> You mean Radio-Canada is a specific instance? Maybe, after years of not working, the specific instance should be looked after? >> Please, check the specific instance. > > I can't read it. I must confess that before writing this, I went to Société Radio-Canada (SRC) and couldn't read it either. It went to see a feature, came back and it worked. It's the first time this happened. Maybe they had a server problem, maybe mplayer is still shaky... or they must see me coming before things work :) > They don't seem to supply a WMV file directly instead > providing some javascript based tricks. There are many instances like these which are the fault of web developers relying on IE specific things. Blaming a media player doesn't seem right. You are absolutely right. THE problem is the SRC using the WMV format and Microsoft servers with all their shenanigans. OTOH, people who come from the windows world don't care about this: they want to watch the state television, no matter what. And MPlayer does it! Not only does it do it but, formerly, you had to use media player connectivity to read the video, click this and that and edit urls, etc. Now, you just click the feature and it plays. It seems contradictory but, if you want people to get aware of what proprietary formats really mean, you first have to provide them means of reading them... and joining the Linux crowd. (Marketshare, again!) If I go to bugzilla to say there's a bug with Totem, I'll receive exactly the answer you gave me. Is it the place on bugzilla to have the discussion we're having now? Is bugzilla a place to create awareness? If I was a developer and identified a security problem, I'm sure I would receive a lot of attention but, if I say that, for years, "New file" has been entering the clip everytime I create a new file in GNOME, I'll be bashed by loudtalkers just like here. Developers know the problem and don't want anybody playing Steve Jobs to remind them. Steve Jobs can kick his developers ass, but I can't. So what's the use of going to bugzilla for a non-developer? Bugzilla is a closed club where only developers are listened to... when they report bugs that present a challenge to developers. I'm no different than most destkop users: if something doesn't work -- Totem, Brasero, whatever -- I switch to a software that clears bugs that hinder user experience. There's not other choice. As often happens in the Linux world, your POV is not reality, it's rhetoric. Same goes for RTFM on the net. When you can already figure out the solution, finding the keywords and evaluating the value of the answers is easy. When you can't, it's a nightmare. I already noted that I advised the aministrator of the fedorafaq that his instructions on using NVIDIA drivers were incomplete and gave him the reference to rpmfusion's way. That's pretty much like filing a bug report, no? What's the result? No change whatsoever. As we speak people still go there to read instruction that won't enable the NVIDIA driver. Everywhere on the net they'll find instructions suggesting that they install akmod-nvidia, since it will recompile -- or whatever -- every new kernel that comes in. I'm afraid this might be tricky. I believe newbies should leave the people at rpmfusion do the job but, at the places were you read this nowhere will you find "Not suggested for newbies". Instructions for installing Fedora should be provided on an https server on one page and be no longer than the equivalent of 5 8½ x 11 pages: Here's where you can download Fedora from. Here's an exe that will check the validity of your download. Here's how to burn a bootable CD. Etc. Problems would be solved on another page. Compare to: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/ It's a frickin' mess that numbs your mind getting from one page of no-info to another. Anyways, I must have supper now but, believe me, it's absolutely irresponsible to pretend that the reason Microsoft has its market share is only because of the dirty tricks they play. Linux has its responsibilities too. The needs of simple users are hardly ever considered. I wished this discussion could end here but, everywhere, it goes on for ever, Linux for the desktop is always for next year and it never happens. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
