Re: Java and openjdk

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Rahul Sundaram wrote:

I expected more from the conformance test.

... which was my major point even earlier. Conformance tests won't get you what you wanted. Major apps are relying on non-standard implementation quirks and even bugs and break even between revisions from the same vendor.

Yes, and they generally specify which jvm you need to use for the application. That means pragmatically that an OS should be designed to easily accommodate whatever jvms your apps need, concurrently if desired. In the future I don't expect this to completely go away any more than the existence of gcc made C compiler version dependencies go away - but you will look at it differently when it's 'your' jvm versions that are problematic.

For some very strange definition of 'works'. The article accompanying it describes parts that don't work.

I will go by what has been posted on the blog.

"Okay, I started mucking around with OpenJDK on Fedora 9 today, and it turns out it is pretty easy to build OpenNMS against OpenJDK and get it to work"

But it doesn't stop there - farther down:

"For some reason I got an error in Statsd.
[...]
This could be an OpenJDK issue or just a testing issue, so I disabled that daemon for now"

So more than merely building as your claimed earlier.

But not actually working like it is supposed to or in a usable way.

  In fact, I'd probably have one running
under vmware if I expected even that to work without having to track non-standard patches. Is that listed on the FAQ these days?

Feel free to use rpmfusion.org wiki for writing down all the content you wanted. Any good search engine can be your friend as well.

I think you are missing the pragmatic point again. I'm willing to sometimes make some effort at beta testing but there are limits. And right now one of those would be using a system that installs with no extra work under vmware. If you can't respond to that or have the answer in an official FAQ, I'll just wait until I have a specific need for a feature I can't get elsewhere before trying to deal with it.

I don't really see the point of running an OS that is antagonistic toward the drivers and applications that would make it useful but I'm curious enough about how it is going to mesh with the next RHEL cut to keep watching. By the way, shouldn't that cut have happened by now?

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