Re: The Scope and Ownership of fedora-list

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Alan Cox wrote:
_AND_ keep in mind that this has next-to-nothing to do with Nvidia or other vendor-provided drivers, commercial software (even free - in the

Nvidia is a rather different case.

Not from the perspective of new users who have to re-configure their yum repositories to include an unmentionable site.

original sense - stuff like VMware, flash, realplayer), or how to install Sun Java, yet they are all equally shunned subjects in official channels. That is their right, of course, but it means that fedora

If they are "shunned" in official channels then how come there is a
libflashsupport package.

If it isn't shunned, why doesn't the adobe repository come pre-configured in yum? Or at least as a '--release' rpm that could be installed from an official site by feeding the URL to rpm?

Clearly this URL is a figment of my imagination
too:  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JavaFAQ

There's nothing on that page that would enable a new user to install a copy of Sun Java. That's slightly less important in f9 than it used to be but there are still plenty of things that won't work with openjdk.

I think you need to take your anti-paranoia tablets.

How many new users do you know that managed to get Sun Java and its browser plugin working correctly on fedora without using something like the K12LTSP spin? And how many did it following instructions provided by anyone related to fedora? Java has probably been worse than the other cases where anti-competitive spin regarding the included less functional versions was overwhelmingly provided instead of any help at installing what a user really needs to run existing java applications - even when other distributions made it a stock package.

But the point I'm trying to make is that whether you interpret the missing information as legal constraints or political/business/philosophical agendas or just lack of time, it doesn't have to stop new users from finding it. It would just be nicer if there were some less-constrained, non-official, non-US site hosting a wiki to organize it (and perhaps those --release rpms to set up the missing yum repos).

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