On Jul 26, 2008, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >>> Your wording is too ambiguous and you associate unusual politics with >>> some of those words so I have no idea what you intend. >> >> Tell me which words, and I'll point out they're present in the GPL as >> well, and you don't seem to have any trouble (mis)interpreting it. > Yes, of course the GPL misrepresents words to make restrictions sound > like freedom. That's the reason it exists. But the CDDL, MPL, etc., > do nothing to conflict with the terms you specify. Yet somehow they do conflict with the terms of the GPL, intentionally and by design. Tell me, how is it possible for them to conflict with the GPL, and not with this licenselet I proposed? Where do you see a difference? > I want to hear your plan for that. Or any possible plan. I presented it already. It's upthread, just 2 round-trips up. In addition to a lawyer to help you decide which of the two conflicting interpretations of the GPL you have is the right one, please go see a doctor for your memory problems :-) > And it is a direct cause of not having a fully competitive, mostly > free, alternative to the monopoly product. And yet somehow the various *BSD variants exist and haven't accomplished that. Could this argument possibly hold any less water? > If I need to be more explicit, just as certain extreme leftist > political systems eliminate incentives to productivity, copyleft terms > eliminate incentives to creativity. I'm a bit surprised you equal GPL to communism, rather than Free Software to communism like most other FUD-spreaders do. Next on their list of 'Free' things to eliminate is 'Free market', 'Free press' and 'Free speech', and let 'Copyrights' trample 'Human rights', for there's no money in the latter. See ACTA, Budapest convention, and the ongoing behind-the-scenes discussions in the international customs organization and G8. > No, in my scenario, you are the one doing the funding. Not some > imaginary first customer that you make up. On Jul 24, 2008, *Les* *Mikesell* <lesmikesell@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Why would your customer pay for that first copy, knowing no one else > has to share the cost? Who made it up, again? >> If they do, per your argument, they'd be losing the ability to recover >> part of their costs. Why would they? > Because they can. And if they do, why should I care? I've already been paid! It's in *their* interest to recover those costs now. > How can you ever ensure, or even encourage a fair distribution of > the development cost of a large work? There's no way to ensure it. You may just as well write software with an expectation to sell, but that doesn't sell. You may get fewer customers that you expected. Or more. How would *you* ensure fair distribution of development costs? I offered a plan that is compatible with the GPL (and any other Free Software license, for that matter), and that doesn't disrespect anyone's freedom in the process, and that ensures I get my payment if I can find enough initial customers to fund the development work. If they don't fund it, I may decide not to do it, or to do it on my own risk. Just like any other kind of software development. It doesn't make much sense to pretend Free Software or even the GPL is special in this regard, in a world in which less than 1% of the IT industry income is out of software licensing fees, and more than 40% is out of services, including software development. Sure, this does make a difference for those who believe the aberration of the proprietary license sale model. That doesn't work for Free Software, and it won't work for software in general for very long. -- Alexandre Oliva http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/ Free Software Evangelist oliva@{lsd.ic.unicamp.br, gnu.org} FSFLA Board Member ¡Sé Libre! => http://www.fsfla.org/ Red Hat Compiler Engineer aoliva@{redhat.com, gcc.gnu.org} -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
