On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:18 -0400, David Boles wrote: > Ric Moore wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 05:56 +0000, g wrote: > > > > It might be better to avoid the use of "labels" as much as possible. I > > know it's hard to do in practice. Sadly, I have my share of favorites. > > "Idiot" just rolls off the fingers when typing it. So does "Twit". > > That's a really good one. "Stupid" gets my hackles up though, I'll > > battle on that one. <cackles> > > > > Again, it's better to not use them at all. Ric > > > A sensible person would run CentOS, or RHEL, or one of the many others, for a > server. It would be foolish to run any distro, such as Fedora, there are many > others, in a production type situation. Something that changes as often, as > quickly, and a radically as Fedora does not, would not, be a good choice for a > stable LAN or production system. Only if you want to be cheap and get 'the > free stuff' would it make sense. And then 'they' would have to deal with the > problems. > > So tell me Ric. What would you call someone that would do this, described > above? Bob? Fred? Or a fool? Well, there is an alternative reason, like mine. I've been using RedHat since the living room days with a pile of floppies and later a CD! to install from. Got a job at RedHat even. I know Bob Young quite well. So, there is some emotional/intellectual "attachment" to Fedora as it sorta replaced what was the cheap-seats box set. It was a stab in the heart to have that part of RedHat closed down, not long after Bob left. So, I'm sure that some, like me, hoped that Fedora would become the community that replaced the box sets and would have SOME sane margin of stability. It absolutely KILLS me to have to switch. But, the only way through to Acceptance is to experience the first four of the five stages of grief, Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Depression. I've done that finally by giving up and receiving Acceptance. <whew!> It's been hard on me. It's like another divorce. I've already had 3 1/2 of those. Some of my colleagues are using Ubuntu Hardy Heron, which the Wonderland devel folks use, and they have zero problems getting X11 apps to run. Xvfb works there and not here, for whatever Wonderland does with it. That was the last straw. I bargained asking for help here, got zip. Fsck it. I'm not getting younger and 2.7 million potential clients is nothing to sneeze at. Finally got the funds for the satellite from our Non-Profit and it's on order tomorrow. I'll give CentOS a shot, but if I have the same problems it'll be a goner quickly ... like within minutes. Then I'll be done with the rpm world for good. Sad day, end of a personal era. I sure haven't arrived here easily. I had hoped to pay forward the good that people like Bob Young had done for me and introduce RedHat to a bunch of state DOC sites. To assist the Debian folks instead sticks in my craw ...lot's of old baggage there from the Old Days. Plus another learning curve added to the learning curves I've already put myself into. I see no other way to end the pain it's caused. Does that make me foolish?? No, just trying to do what I considered the "Right Thing". To me it makes no sense whatsoever, to stride boldly ahead with the newest when there is so much breaking behind. THAT is foolish, IMHO. Others have noted the same thing and have been vocal about it. Pulseaudio is a case in point. Some have no problems with it, some find it impossible. Freeze things until it works for the largest amount of folks. Same with Xorg. That would be functional to have some actual concerns for the lowest common denominator of user. To me "Community" denotes Extended Family. A Functional Family lives to meet the needs of its "Children". In a Dysfunctional Family, the Children live to meet the needs of the Parents. Please, do not call this a "community" when the avowed goals are that the children (users) meet the needs of the parents (RedHat). Please call it something other than a community. It's misleading and harmful. If someone wants to raise hell over my observation, fine. But, remember the first stage of Grief is "Denial". Print this out, run it by a shrink and see what he sees in what I have written. I'm doing a "Stop-Switch" and seeking better parents. I'll always be grateful and in Gift-Debt forever to Bob Young. I'll just have to find another way to repay the debt. Ric -- ---------------------------------------------------- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity. Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad. Linux user# 44256 Sign up at: http://counter.li.org/ http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/oar https://oar.dev.java.net/ Verizon Cell # 336-254-1339 ----------------------------------------------------- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
