I've been a Linux user since 1998, and also started with Red Hat. Since then, I've also used Mandrake, SUSE, Debian, and Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu. I switched to Fedora about 3 years ago, away from my last SUSE box, and now use Fedora and Kubuntu exclusively. I love Kubuntu, but will retain my Fedora boxes (3) for exactly some of the reasons that Charles mentions. All my home machines, my laptops, and student (graduate) machines run Kubuntu. Easy to maintain, and easy to use for newbies. Servers and number crunchers all run Fedora, because I depend on and like the bleeding edge. Great combination and one couldn't ask for more! Having said that, Fedora maintenance is definitely clunkier. Updates (yum vs. apt) are significantly slower, and some things are noticeably buggier. But I guess that if the desktop is not, or no longer a focus, perhaps it's not a big deal. Too bad. I recommend distributions to a lot of newbies, and my number one recommendations are always Ubuntu and Fedora, depending on their needs, and/or available hardware. That's not likely to change. Peter Peter D. Roopnarine, Assoc. Curator Dept. of Invertebrate Zoology & Geology California Academy of Sciences 875 Howard St. San Francisco CA 94103 USA http://zeus.calacademy.org/roopnarine/peter.html http://www.calacademy.org/blogs Tel. (415)321-8271 FAX (415)321-8615 "There's a thing about Americans. We're not very good occupiers." Judgement at Nuremberg -----Original Message----- From: fedora-list-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Charles Curley Sent: Sun 4/27/2008 8:38 AM To: fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: So Long and Thanks for All the Fish Or: Why I'm jumping ship to Ubuntu. This is intended as friendly criticism, not as flame bait. Fedora devs may wish to address these issues. I started using Linux in 1994, and Red Hat shortly thereafter. About a year and a half ago I reluctantly started looking at other disties, and settled on Ubuntu. After experimentation, I started migrating to Ubuntu, and completed that in December when I decommissioned the last Fedora box in my home. I'm migrating to Ubuntu for several reasons, actually. * Fedora is more bleeding edge than I'm comfortable with. I need a stable desktop Linux, and Fedora breaks too often. * Fewer updates. One might be forgiven the impression that Fedora has a new kernel every week. It just seems that way. Meanwhile Ubuntu updates are few and far between. This has advantages and disadvantages, of course. The most obvious disadvantage being if something is broken in Ubuntu it is likely to stay broken, possibly until the next distribution. I have lived with that and can do so again. * Related to the last, no simple caching software. The last I knew, there was no RPM analog to the Debian apt-cacher. This caches deb packages, so that, for all the machines that use it, a given package is pulled in from the mirror only once, thereby reducing network traffic, and greatly speeding updates on other clients of the cache. For Fedora, I used an rsync script, but that meant I had copies of entire repos, with massive redundancy of updated packages, far more than I need. * Small machine installations. Using the "alternate installation CD" and installing a text only environment, I can run Ubuntu on a machine with 68 MB on it, my venerable 133 MHz firewall. Indeed, this was the first place I tried Ubuntu in production. I am looking at the fit-PC (http://www.fit-pc.com/new/) for a number of applications, and it comes from the factory with Ubuntu 7.10. While Fedora 8 will run on the fit-PC, I wonder for how long? * I prefer XFCE or similar lightweight desktops for these machines. I can get XFCE with xubuntu. I see no Fedora analog. * While I am glad to see the Fedora live CDs, they are klunky compared to the Ubuntu/Knoppix/Finnix live CDs I have used. For one thing, on shutdown those live CDs will eject the CD and wait for you to remove them from the drive. -- Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB
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