Re: Punch Cards.

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On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 23:10 -0400, max wrote:
> Da Rock wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 21:03 -0400, max wrote:
> >> Da Rock wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 13:59 -0400, max bianco wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> Tim wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 13:28 -0700, David L. Gehrt wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The disk drive were pretty good EXCEPT the spindle bearings were made of
> >>>>>>> some space age material prone  to disintegration after a short period of
> >>>>>>> use.  I knew DEC  was going to be in trouble when  the repair guy stated
> >>>>>>> that the problem we had with  those bearings was because we were running
> >>>>>>> UNIX not DEC's VMS OS.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've heard similar bulldust about using Linux being the cause of some
> >>>>>> problem that it couldn't possibly be.  It makes you wonder whether these
> >>>>>> people believe their own rubbish, are incompetent, or think that you're
> >>>>>> stupid.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  Or just want to get out of warranty... there was an article (Slashdot IIRC)
> >>>>> about HP voiding warranty on laptops converted to Linux, even though they
> >>>>> sell similar models with Linux installed. Never checked it out, don't care,
> >>>>> but I assume it's true.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I have heard similar stories. Recently I bought my better half a new
> >>>> laptop. I went around to the usual stores and point blank told them
> >>>> that Windows would last long enough for one boot just to make sure the
> >>>> thing was working before I wiped the harddrive and flashed the bios.
> >>>> They told me they wouldn't honor any warranty on the hardware if the
> >>>> original OS was not there. Needless to say they didn't get the sale. I
> >>>> called Dell and told them that since their Linux offerings were so
> >>>> weak I was going to get an XP laptop and wipe it off to install Linux.
> >>>> They told me they would honor the hardware warranty regardless of the
> >>>> OS. Sold. Now she's happy and so am I.
> >>> Is there any success in getting Dell to sell hardware without the OS?
> >>> They don't sell the linux systems anywhere but the US.
> >>>
> >> They wouldn't sell me one with no OS but they are willing to support the 
> >> hardware which in my book is just as good and no less than they should 
> >> do anyway.
> >> I think in the future they may offer blank hardware but they'd find 
> >> someway to keep charging just as much so it really doesn't matter. I'd 
> >> like to see Dell offer RedHat on a desktop , there are plenty of small 
> >> businesses that would quickly jump on to save a few bucks, even with the 
> >> cost of support(which they wouldn't need for more than a year or two) 
> >> they'd save big on applications, the day is coming I think but not soon 
> >> enough for my taste.
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> > 
> > Indeed. Considering now M$ is no longer offering OEM which means costs
> > will go up...
> > 
> > On the blank hardware front- anyone know where to get notebook mb's? I
> > can find screens and chassis, but no mb. I asked AMD but they avoided
> > the question, and I don't really want intel. But at this point I'm
> > beyond caring.
> > 
> As far as I know there isn't a generic laptop. All of them are 
> proprietary in one way or another, doesn't mean you can't find the 
> boards but good luck getting them to fit into anything but the original 
> manufacturer's case.
> 

You used to be able to get them- I knew a computer tech who used to
build them himself. Can't find them now, though...

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