On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 21:25 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > On Monday 18 February 2008 20:28, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 19:54 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > On Monday 18 February 2008 14:53, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2008-02-17 at 19:01 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > On Friday 15 February 2008 20:32, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:09 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday 15 February 2008 02:35, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 22:13 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday 14 February 2008 18:01, Mark C. Allman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 22:43 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 13 February 2008 21:34, Frank Chiulli wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Sound Blaster Live! Value. This is an older > > > > > > > > > > > > machine. F8 detected the card automatically. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately I can't tell you exactly when I got the > > > > > > > > > > > > error. I had tried lots of things to get sound to work > > > > > > > > > > > > but never did. It wasn't a big deal. Then I was > > > > > > > > > > > > looking at something else when I was the error. I > > > > > > > > > > > > figured that I would take a look at it. It seems like > > > > > > > > > > > > an easy fix. It seems pretty obvious to me what was > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong. So I corrected it. Then sound worked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply Frank. I was hoping that you would > > > > > > > > > > > say that your card was also an isa one, and would tie it > > > > > > > > > > > in with Aarons problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's nice to see that both of you have resolved the > > > > > > > > > > > problem, but what's going on to cause these problems is > > > > > > > > > > > beyond me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you see from what I posted above, my audigy2 > > > > > > > > > > > soundblaster was detected ok, and apart from disabling > > > > > > > > > > > pulseaudio by removing alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, and > > > > > > > > > > > adding the usual lines to /etc/modprobe.conf for my usb > > > > > > > > > > > midi keyboard that uses snd-usb-audio, the sounds are > > > > > > > > > > > working ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, the fact that both you and Aaron now have sounds > > > > > > > > > > > is the main thing. Quite why you've both had problems, > > > > > > > > > > > and me none, I've no idea. That's computers for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark says: > > > > > > > > > > When I run the "alsa-info.sh" script I see an error message > > > > > > > > > > when it tries to collect the data that says something like > > > > > > > > > > "no soundcard found." I think it's the same error that I > > > > > > > > > > see when I run aplay to list out cards: > > > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ aplay -l > > > > > > > > > > aplay: device_list:205: no soundcards found... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, when I look at the script results, I see the > > > > > > > > > > following at about line 65 (this is after I tried > > > > > > > > > > "model=toshiba" in modprobe.conf even though my laptop is a > > > > > > > > > > Dell XPS 1710): Loaded sound module option > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > Module: snd_hda_intel > > > > > > > > > > enable : N > > > > > > > > > > id : <NULL> > > > > > > > > > > index : 0 > > > > > > > > > > model : toshiba > > > > > > > > > > position_fix : 0 > > > > > > > > > > power_save : 0 > > > > > > > > > > power_save_controller : Y > > > > > > > > > > probe_mask : -1 > > > > > > > > > > single_cmd : N > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could the "enable: N" line be the key here? For those of > > > > > > > > > > you that have sound working, what do you see listed for > > > > > > > > > > "enable?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If it helps, you can look at all the test results that the > > > > > > > > > > script uploaded at: > > > > > > > > > > http://pastebin.ca/903970 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman, PMP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark. I've sort of lost the plot a bit, but do you have > > > > > > > > > your sound working now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ask because the Alsa development folks are working hard on > > > > > > > > > resolving problems, particularly with the hda intel cards. > > > > > > > > > Alsa driver 1.0.16 has just been released, and I see many > > > > > > > > > patches being applied to the hda intel codecs, including your > > > > > > > > > STAC9200 one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound works using: > > > > > > > > Pidgin > > > > > > > > VLC (playing Rush/Tom Sawyer right now) > > > > > > > > RealAudio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It does not work for: > > > > > > > > gnome-cd (won't start a track) > > > > > > > > grip (starts reading tracks, but no sound) > > > > > > > > aplay/arecord ("no soundcard found") > > > > > > > > Flash in Firefox > > > > > > > > system-config-soundcard (everything's there--just no > > > > > > > > sound!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can pipe a ".au" file (if I remember the extension correctly) > > > > > > > > to /dev/audio and I hear it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some "/proc/asound" stuff: > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls /proc/asound/ > > > > > > > > card0 cards devices hwdep Intel modules oss pcm seq timers > > > > > > > > version [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/cards > > > > > > > > 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel > > > > > > > > HDA Intel at 0xdfffc000 irq 21 > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls /proc/asound/card0 > > > > > > > > codec#0 codec#1 id oss_mixer pcm0c pcm0p pcm1p > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/pcm > > > > > > > > 00-01: STAC92xx Digital : STAC92xx Digital : playback 1 > > > > > > > > 00-00: STAC92xx Analog : STAC92xx Analog : playback 1 : > > > > > > > > capture 1 [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/modules > > > > > > > > 0 snd_hda_intel > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ cat /proc/asound/devices > > > > > > > > 2: : timer > > > > > > > > 3: : sequencer > > > > > > > > 4: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback > > > > > > > > 5: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback > > > > > > > > 6: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture > > > > > > > > 7: [ 0- 1]: hardware dependent > > > > > > > > 8: [ 0- 0]: hardware dependent > > > > > > > > 9: [ 0] : control > > > > > > > > [mcallman@prez X11]$ ls -ld /proc/asound/Intel > > > > > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2008-02-14 20:18 > > > > > > > > /proc/asound/Intel -> card0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. If any of the Alsa > > > > > > > > development folks would like a test bed to try out ideas just > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mark. I know I've got pulseaudio on the brain, as I had > > > > > > > problems with it, and disabled it, but have you got the default > > > > > > > install of F8, where pulseaudio is enabled? I ask because of the > > > > > > > sound apps that you have working. Realplayer uses OSS, VLC uses > > > > > > > natively OSS, or Alsa, and also Gnomes ESD. Not sure about Pidgin > > > > > > > (Gaim), but I believe it uses OSS for it's sounds. Puzzling why > > > > > > > Alsa apps won't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you havn't messed with pulseaudio since installing F8, I think > > > > > > > I'd do a: yum remove alsa-plugins-pulseaudio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having done that I'd see if now aplay, audio cd's, etc work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough for now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only PulseAudio package I have installed is > > > > > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8. It's needed for > > > > > > libflashsupport-000-0.1.svn20070904. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marc. Sorry for the delay in replying. I spent a while today going > > > > > back through the alsa-devel archives, and the only reference to the > > > > > Dell XPS 1710, was one for the Dell XPS M1710w (which may well be the > > > > > same machine), and was to do with a problem with the subwoofer not > > > > > working with the alsa 1.0.14 driver, and on a Suse install. See below > > > > > for the thread. > > > > > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-August/subj > > > > >ect. html > > > > > > > > > > I'll contact the guy directly, after you've replied to this post, to > > > > > see if he had any problems with getting sound working on his machine. > > > > > I'd like to clarify some things with you first though. > > > > > > <Snip> > > > > > > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > > > > > > > > > Over to you, and all the best. > > > > > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > > > > > For pulseaudio: > > > > The only PulseAudio package I have installed is > > > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8. > > > > > > > > For option values in modprobe: I tried all ("all") the dell values. > > > > Someone earlier said they used "toshiba" even though their laptop > > > > wasn't a Toshiba, so I thought I'd try it. No luck, of course. > > > > > > > > alsamixer: > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ alsamixer > > > > > > > > alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such > > > > file or directory > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > > > > > Hi Mark. I had a reply back from the guy on the alsa-devel list, that has > > > the same machine as you. He's using Suse, not F8, but had no problems > > > getting sound working. See below for his reply. > > > > > > <quote> > > > I'm not aware of any initial problem I might have had. However I > > > regularly install drivers from the hg tree so I'm not too sure about > > > actual versions. > > > > > > However at the time I posted about my subwoofer problem I did have sound > > > and wasn't even aware there might be problems (apart from the sound being > > > somewhat "slim", i.e. missing deep frequencies). On the other hand I > > > usually use headphones and thus don't recognize that. > > > > > > Anyway, after applying the patches you refer to above also my building > > > subwoofer works as adverticed and I do have another slider when invoking > > > alsamixer. So I'd say with alsa 1.0.1[456] it should work. > > > > > > So to sum it up: > > > I have no problems with sound on my XPS M1710 whatsoever. > > > > > > Feel free to ask more questions and/or compare configurations. > > > > > > Best, > > > Michael > > > <end quote> > > > > > > I'm still concerned about pulseaudio, and I'm not trying to start an > > > argument. The fact that that alsamixer is not available appears to > > > indicate that pulseaudio is still involved in some way or other. You have > > > said that you only have pulseaudio-libs installed, but the package that > > > disables pulseaudio is named "alsa-plugins-pulseaudio". Could you please > > > verify that the package named "alsa-plugins-pulseaudio" is not > > > installed. We're just trying to help here, and to get your sound working. > > > > > > As I've said before, running, rpm -q alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, will show > > > if the package is installed, or Yumex will will also show if it's > > > installed, or if you use apt, and synaptic, synaptic will show if the > > > package is installed. > > > > > > Sorry. I'm not trying to wind you up, but just trying to find out if > > > pulseaudio is enabled. It's causing a lot of problems for some folks, and > > > disabling it just gets the sounds back. > > > > > > Nigel. > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ rpm -q -a | grep ulse > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ rpm -q -a | grep audio > > gnome-audio-2.0.0-4 > > portaudio-19-3.fc8 > > audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8 > > jack-audio-connection-kit-0.103.0-5.fc8 > > pulseaudio-libs-0.9.8-5.fc8 > > audiofile-0.2.6-7.fc8 > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ cat /etc/asound.conf > > pcm.!default { > > type hw > > card 0 > > } > > > > ctl.!default { > > type hw > > card 0 > > } > > > > pcm.Intel { > > type hw > > card 0 > > } > > > > ctl.Intel { > > type hw > > card 0 > > } > > > > [mcallman@prez tmp]$ amixer > > amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory > > > > Is there detailed documentation in an Alsa source that defines what all > > goes into asound.conf? As I've said all along, I'm just looking for > > ideas on what to dig into to diagnose and fix this. I'm not expecting > > you all on the list to do the work! > > > > -- Mark C. Allman > > Hi Mark. All I've been asking for is a verification that > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio is installed. This is the package that can cause > problems with the sound working. As of yet you have not verified that the > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio package is either installed, or not installed. > > This should be not to difficult. Yumex should show if the package is > installed, or just run rpm -q alsa-plugins-pulseaudio, and post back the > output. > > Just a confirmation that alsa-plugins-pulseaudio is installed, or not > installed will be enough to progress further on with the problem. > > Nigel. > If you look above at the results from "rpm -q -a | grep audio" you'll get your answer. As you can see, it isn't. -- Mark C. 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