Re: Strange things going on

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On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 12:39 +0200, Andrew Kelly wrote:
> [me]
> > > > Regardless of how /you/ want to perceive things, Claude, there
> > > > is a certain decorum in "places like this" and there is
> > > > absolutely nothing wrong with trying to get participants to
> > > > respect and follow it.
> 
> [Claude]
> > > Regardless of how you perceive things, and I do use this forum in 
> > > conjunction with work, there's been some nasty, intemperate, 
> > > piling on going on here of late, and that's not just on the 
> > > list-member we're discussing now. You complain that this stuff 
> > > is getting in the way of work -- you're in this biz, it's a 
> > > simple fix - send the posts from people you don't like to the 
> > > appropriate bin, or delete them, or if you open one by accident, 
> > > don't read it, and as a grownup, I'm sure you can think of more 
> > > solutions. 
> 
> [me to Claude]
> Are you generally this patronising, or did I just read that incorrectly?
> My apologies if it was an rx problem.
> 
> I'm not aware of any poster to this list that *exclusively* posts
> rubbish, so blocking authors ad hoc potentially loses me useful
> information. It's also messy and annoying to have thread after thread
> filled with responses to posts you don't see because the sender has been
> killfiled.
> 
> Many, MANY threads are a complete mish-mash of useful information and
> dung. There is no rhyme or reason to how they go together, so there is
> no identifiable point in the thread's life where a killfile is
> appropriate. I've seen many a thread here that started well, degenerated
> into retardation, and then surprisingly returned to topic and eventually
> culminated in some great information.
> 
> And of course there's that great big can of worms about starting a new
> thread on nearly every flipping bit of commentary delivered. Even if one
> were (for the sake of argument) permitted to trust that a thread always
> stuck to its own topic and tone in such a way that one *COULD*
> conceivably use thread killfiles effectively, it all goes flying out the
> window because every second posting gets a new subject line and didn't
> even have threading references embedded in the first place.
> 
> Oh, nearly forgot about the issue of subject line vs content. A subject
> line of "update sucks" doesn't really hint very well at the UDEV
> discussion going on in it. Of course, a couple hours lie between my
> reading that and my writing this, so perhaps the subject is now "update
> sucks OT Jim got a haircut" and the discussion is about embedding sound
> in the fedora 8 LiveCD anaconda script.
> 
> Author killfiles and thread killfiles are remarkably useless in this
> list, and if I'm the only one who believes that I'll eat my left shoe on
> live webcam for you to watch.
> 
> There simply is no alternative but to open and scan each and every
> posting, and it costs a lot of time, time which isn't all that cheap.
> Yeah, sure, I always have the option to simply stop reading this list.
> But that would cost me too, wouldn't it?
> 
> I repeat, these places have a decorum, and there is nothing wrong with
> attempting to insist that it be followed.
> 
> [still Claude] 
> > There's no excuse for some of the nastiness I've seen 
> > > lately, as far as I'm concerned, and I shall continue to express 
> > > myself equally forcefully on that issue. I don't wish to be 
> > > list-cop, and never attempt to tell anyone what they can and 
> > > can't say -- but, if someone becomes boorish, I will say so. I'm 
> > > not defending Karl, he's shown himself quite capable of taking 
> > > care of himself. I'm expressing my views forcefully about 
> > > certain behavior -- I don't expect everyone to respond to my 
> > > predilections -- but things did get a little nicer for awhile. 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Claude Jones
> > > Brunswick, MD, USA
> 
> [still me to Claude]
> I agree that the nastiness could go away, and I apologise for any that I
> might have contributed. But boorish is as boorish does, and although you
> feel comfortable in having the high moral ground, it might be that
> others feel differently. Or simply don't understand. There are, after
> all, clearly a lot of participants here that do not have English as a
> first language. None of that is really relevant, though, so I'm
> surprised that either of us wasted time writing about it.
> 
> I am, however, largely amused at your last line and thank you for a good
> belly laugh. 
> It reads like Al Gore taking credit for inventing the Internet. Good
> one!
> 
> [Les in response to Claude]
> > Hear! Hear!
> > 
> > Anyone who works in this business will certainly know how to set up
> > their mail to avoid reading stuff from someone they feel is not adding
> > to the discussion.  At least if they are good at their job.
> 
> [me to Les]
> /raising eyebrows
> 
> That reads remarkably like you're somehow making a comment on what I do
> and how skilled I might or might not be at it. To the best of my
> knowledge we haven't met, nor do you know much of anything at all about
> me. I'm curious as to how you feel qualified to make a statement like
> that, but I won't waste both our breaths asking about it. 
> 
> I would, though, very much embrace it if you would kindly post for me,
> here in this list but with an appropriate subject line of course, the
> procmail recipe I could use to "avoid reading stuff that I feel doesn't
> add to the discussion", bearing in mind the several paragraph I've
> written above.
> 
> If you can do it, I will use it immediately and gratefully, and praise
> your name from every pulpit I can access. I'd also instantly offer you a
> job and pay you whatever it took to get you to sign.
> 
> 
> > Regards,
> > Les H
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andy
> 
You might try this link to see how a filter can be set up.
http://lipas.uwasa.fi/~ts/info/proctips.html#start

Regards,
Les H

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