On Saturday 24 February 2007, Jonathan Berry wrote: >On 2/24/07, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Saturday 24 February 2007, Claude Jones wrote: >> >On Sat February 24 2007, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> I might have to start from scratch again just to change the video >> >> card. And I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 4x the price of the >> >> mobo on a video card just so the gl screenblankers run smoothly. >> > >> >http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=4128229 >> > >> >Just put one of these in an AGP slot in my ASUS - it scats! With 256 >> > mb ram it's got plenty of ooomffff - certified to run Cinelerra >> > according to several folks on that list, and look at that price >> >> Not bad at all, but who is Jaton? Does it look like an nvidia card to >> the nvidia driver? > >All nVidia cards use the same chipset and the same driver. It does >not matter who puts together the card itself. If it uses an nVidia >GPU, it is an nVidia graphics card. Now, the quality of the card >itself may vary slightly based upon the manufacturer. And the >features will (such as ports, amount of RAM, etc). Oh, you can >probably find a better price than that. I like Newegg.com personally: >http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+10 >6790703&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= > >Avoid the "Turbo Caching" stuff. That uses system RAM to augment the >video RAM actually on the card. Get dedicated Video RAM. > >[snip] > >> >So far as the NVidia cards, I also bought a bunch of PCIx versions of >> > the one above, and they are real fast: >> >glxgears >> >2330 frames in 5.0 seconds = 465.975 FPS >> >2304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 460.695 FPS >> >2275 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.949 FPS >> >> I'll look when I'm awake agan, but this ati (and I think glxgears is >> lieing to me) says it doing 770 or so. > >That seems rather low. But glxgears is a poor benchmark as it is also >closely tied to your CPU and other factors. I have a (PNY) 6600 GT >with 128 MB Video RAM and I get: >(with AIGLX enabled) >$ glxgears >19516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3903.179 FPS >28603 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5720.504 FPS >27597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5519.237 FPS >28336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5661.658 FPS >(without AIGLX) >$ glxgears >37436 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7487.071 FPS >36616 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7322.496 FPS >37653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7530.581 FPS >36758 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7351.457 FPS > >Jonathan And what sort of a cpu etc do you have there? Those figures are about 30x what I'm getting after using the nvidia installer to put the most recent driver in. This card, and I miss-spoke is a 3DForce 6200-256. the nv driver would not even run it as well as the ATI ran, including limiting the resolution to 1440x900, which is a far cry from square pixels here. But after I'd installed the nvidia driver, I was back to my usual 1600x1200 and looking good, but, on the XP-2800 Athlon with a gig of 333FSB ram, glxgears, while obviously a heck of a lot smoother, isn't anywhere near that fast: 5939 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1187.719 FPS 5969 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1193.787 FPS 5961 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1192.097 FPS glxinfo looks better: [root@coyote ~]# glxinfo name of display: :0.0 display: :0 screen: 0 direct rendering: Yes server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation server glx version string: 1.4 server glx extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation client glx version string: 1.4 client glx extensions: GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB GLX version: 1.3 GLX extensions: GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6200/AGP/SSE/3DNOW! OpenGL version string: 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.46 OpenGL extensions: GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers, GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow, GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query, GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, GL_ARB_point_sprite, GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression, GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, GL_ARB_vertex_shader, GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_float, GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample, GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs, GL_EXT_stencil_clear_tag, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3, GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod, GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp, GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, GL_EXT_timer_query, GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip, GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, GL_NV_blend_square, GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fence, GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_fragment_program, GL_NV_fragment_program_option, GL_NV_fragment_program2, GL_NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage, GL_NV_half_float, GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint, GL_NV_occlusion_query, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, GL_NV_pixel_data_range, GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_primitive_restart, GL_NV_register_combiners, GL_NV_register_combiners2, GL_NV_texgen_reflection, GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4, GL_NV_texture_expand_normal, GL_NV_texture_rectangle, GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2, GL_NV_texture_shader3, GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, GL_NV_vertex_program, GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_NV_vertex_program2, GL_NV_vertex_program2_option, GL_NV_vertex_program3, GL_NVX_conditional_render, 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0 Ncon 0x91 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x92 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x93 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 0 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x94 32 tc 0 32 0 r y . 8 8 8 8 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x95 32 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x96 32 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x97 32 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 0 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon 0x98 32 tc 0 32 0 r . . 8 8 8 8 4 16 0 16 16 16 16 0 0 Ncon So what do I check next? And, whats all that 'Ncon' stuff telling me? And many thanks for the help I've been given by several already. :) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
