Re: fglrx question

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On Saturday 24 February 2007, Jonathan Berry wrote:
>On 2/24/07, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Saturday 24 February 2007, Claude Jones wrote:
>> >On Sat February 24 2007, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> >> I might have to start from scratch again just to change the video
>> >> card. And I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 4x the price of the
>> >> mobo on a video card just so the gl screenblankers run smoothly.
>> >
>> >http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=4128229
>> >
>> >Just put one of these in an AGP slot in my ASUS - it scats! With 256
>> > mb ram it's got plenty of ooomffff - certified to run Cinelerra
>> > according to several folks on that list, and look at that price
>>
>> Not bad at all, but who is Jaton?  Does it look like an nvidia card to
>> the nvidia driver?
>
>All nVidia cards use the same chipset and the same driver.  It does
>not matter who puts together the card itself.  If it uses an nVidia
>GPU, it is an nVidia graphics card.  Now, the quality of the card
>itself may vary slightly based upon the manufacturer.  And the
>features will (such as ports, amount of RAM, etc).  Oh, you can
>probably find a better price than that.  I like Newegg.com personally:
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+10
>6790703&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
>
>Avoid the "Turbo Caching" stuff.  That uses system RAM to augment the
>video RAM actually on the card.  Get dedicated Video RAM.
>
>[snip]
>
>> >So far as the NVidia cards, I also bought a bunch of PCIx versions of
>> > the one above, and they are real fast:
>> >glxgears
>> >2330 frames in 5.0 seconds = 465.975 FPS
>> >2304 frames in 5.0 seconds = 460.695 FPS
>> >2275 frames in 5.0 seconds = 454.949 FPS
>>
>> I'll look when I'm awake agan, but this ati (and I think glxgears is
>> lieing to me) says it doing 770 or so.
>
>That seems rather low.  But glxgears is a poor benchmark as it is also
>closely tied to your CPU and other factors.  I have a (PNY) 6600 GT
>with 128 MB Video RAM and I get:
>(with AIGLX enabled)
>$ glxgears
>19516 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3903.179 FPS
>28603 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5720.504 FPS
>27597 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5519.237 FPS
>28336 frames in 5.0 seconds = 5661.658 FPS
>(without AIGLX)
>$ glxgears
>37436 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7487.071 FPS
>36616 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7322.496 FPS
>37653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7530.581 FPS
>36758 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7351.457 FPS
>
>Jonathan

And what sort of a cpu etc do you have there?  Those figures are about 30x 
what I'm getting after using the nvidia installer to put the most recent 
driver in.  This card, and I miss-spoke is a 3DForce 6200-256.  the nv 
driver would not even run it as well as the ATI ran, including limiting 
the resolution to 1440x900, which is a far cry from square pixels here.  
But after I'd installed the nvidia driver, I was back to my usual 
1600x1200 and looking good, but, on the XP-2800 Athlon with a gig of 
333FSB ram, glxgears, while obviously a heck of a lot smoother, isn't 
anywhere near that fast:

5939 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1187.719 FPS
5969 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1193.787 FPS
5961 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1192.097 FPS

glxinfo looks better:
[root@coyote ~]# glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.4
server glx extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
    GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
    GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer,
    GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.4
client glx extensions:
    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info,
    GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync,
    GLX_NV_swap_group, GLX_NV_video_out, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer,
    GLX_SGI_swap_control, GLX_NV_float_buffer, GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float,
    GLX_EXT_fbconfig_packed_float, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap,
    GLX_EXT_framebuffer_sRGB
GLX version: 1.3
GLX extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig,
    GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_SGI_video_sync, GLX_SGI_swap_control,
    GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_NV_float_buffer,
    GLX_ARB_fbconfig_float, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6200/AGP/SSE/3DNOW!
OpenGL version string: 2.1.0 NVIDIA 97.46
OpenGL extensions:
    GL_ARB_color_buffer_float, GL_ARB_depth_texture, GL_ARB_draw_buffers,
    GL_ARB_fragment_program, GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow,
    GL_ARB_fragment_shader, GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_imaging,
    GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_occlusion_query,
    GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object, GL_ARB_point_parameters, 
GL_ARB_point_sprite,
    GL_ARB_shadow, GL_ARB_shader_objects, GL_ARB_shading_language_100,
    GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression,
    GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
    GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, 
GL_ARB_texture_float,
    GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two,
    GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, GL_ARB_transpose_matrix,
    GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object, GL_ARB_vertex_program, 
GL_ARB_vertex_shader,
    GL_ARB_window_pos, GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_float,
    GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
    GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, GL_EXT_blend_color,
    GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate, GL_EXT_blend_func_separate,
    GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, 
GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array,
    GL_EXT_Cg_shader, GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, 
GL_EXT_draw_range_elements,
    GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_framebuffer_blit, 
GL_EXT_framebuffer_multisample,
    GL_EXT_framebuffer_object, GL_EXT_gpu_program_parameters,
    GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil,
    GL_EXT_packed_pixels, GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object, 
GL_EXT_point_parameters,
    GL_EXT_rescale_normal, GL_EXT_secondary_color,
    GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, GL_EXT_shadow_funcs,
    GL_EXT_stencil_clear_tag, GL_EXT_stencil_two_side, 
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap,
    GL_EXT_texture3D, GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc,
    GL_EXT_texture_cube_map, GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp,
    GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3,
    GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic, GL_EXT_texture_lod,
    GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias, GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp,
    GL_EXT_texture_object, GL_EXT_texture_sRGB, GL_EXT_timer_query,
    GL_EXT_vertex_array, GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip,
    GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat, GL_KTX_buffer_region, 
GL_NV_blend_square,
    GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color, GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fence,
    GL_NV_float_buffer, GL_NV_fog_distance, GL_NV_fragment_program,
    GL_NV_fragment_program_option, GL_NV_fragment_program2,
    GL_NV_framebuffer_multisample_coverage, GL_NV_half_float,
    GL_NV_light_max_exponent, GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint,
    GL_NV_occlusion_query, GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil, 
GL_NV_pixel_data_range,
    GL_NV_point_sprite, GL_NV_primitive_restart, GL_NV_register_combiners,
    GL_NV_register_combiners2, GL_NV_texgen_reflection,
    GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc, GL_NV_texture_env_combine4,
    GL_NV_texture_expand_normal, GL_NV_texture_rectangle,
    GL_NV_texture_shader, GL_NV_texture_shader2, GL_NV_texture_shader3,
    GL_NV_vertex_array_range, GL_NV_vertex_array_range2, 
GL_NV_vertex_program,
    GL_NV_vertex_program1_1, GL_NV_vertex_program2,
    GL_NV_vertex_program2_option, GL_NV_vertex_program3,
    GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, 
GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
    GL_SGIX_depth_texture, GL_SGIX_shadow, GL_SUN_slice_accum

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So what do I check next?  And, whats all that 'Ncon' stuff telling me?

And many thanks for the help I've been given by several already. :)

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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