OK, that's not really true. Mark is a sharp guy, and gets open source as well, indeed, better, than most. But he's completely wrong on his criticism of Red Hat (which Greg of the Fedora Project shoots down). His basic point? Because RHEL is a closed binary, it's proprietary. Full article at, http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/archives/2007/01/ubuntu_founder.html taharka Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.