On Tue, 2015-03-17 at 08:15 +0700, Truong Anh. Tuan wrote: > Thanks Christoph for summarizing all up. Hi everyone, I posted this on the trac ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/373#comment:7) ,but since the discussion seems to have moved here, I'm posting here too: So, the problem, as Matthew states in the ticket description is: "Meanwhile, the project really lacks coordination between various areas of outreach — Ambassadors, Marketing, Design Team (which is responsible for branding), and support efforts like Ask Fedora and even Documentation and Web. This may also include areas of the new Fedora.next Working Groups which touch on these areas — branding, marketing, conference attendance in support of a particular product, and etc. " I'm slightly at a loss to see how a new body solves this issue - I've seen the activity on the various lists and tracs and it's not really clear to me that the goal of FOSCo is to improve the communication between teams. For example, I just saw a ticket on the fosco trac that said "Arrange University install-fests" and another that said "Find pilot university for Fedora lab deployment" and another that said "FOSS Alternatives Resource Page". These really appear to be just normal ambassador team tasks, which they've been doing for quite a long time. I mean, if you read the problem statement, a simple solution could be: - regular multi team meets - people from the various teams sit in, say what's happening, what team A needs from team B, what team C needs from team A and B and so on? - if necessary, representatives can be appointed in the various teams, or we can take turns and so on (this part can be handled by the teams themselves) This still doesn't quite feel like it needs an official new body, with elections and so on. Each team has active contributors - ambassadors, which is the largest has famsco + regional leads to spread the word and co-ordinate them - other teams are much smaller and don't need this governance model - the simplest solution seems to be to get them to speak to each other and keep up with each others activities - and this can be done without major restructuring of famsco/fosco/ambassadors/other teams. Also, in the name FOSCo, the word "Outreach" could possibly be misconstrued as increasing contributors/participation and so on (on the lines of the gnome outreach programme - https://www.gnome.org//opw/). Is *this* the function of FOSCo? It would explain why the fosco trac has tickets for install fests and so on it. But, this is completely different from increasing communication between teams (internal community outreach vs external outreach?). Even the e-mail that was sent out with the proposal said: "The idea is to transform FAmSCo into Fedora Outreach Steering Committee, representing and coordinating Ambassadors, Marketing, Design Team (which is responsible for branding), and support efforts like Ask Fedora and even Documentation and Web. It would also include areas of the new Fedora.next Working Groups which touch on these areas — branding, marketing, conference attendance in support of a particular product, and etc. (Not to _rule_ them, but to coordinate and enable.)" which doesn't say anything about the gnome style outreach. So, I guess what I'm wondering is: - what is the purpose of FOSCo - if it is indeed to increase communication/co-ordination between teams within the community, do we really need another body? - else, if the purpose of FOSCo isn't yet completely clear, we probably need to take a step back and figure it out before we start working on things? What do you think? -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha
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