On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
Greg Dekoenigsberg schrieb:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
What about an IRC teach-in? What if we had a couple of packagers who,
once a month or so, took a couple of hours to run a packaging tutorial in
real time?
"Learning by doing" and especially the part "*making errors* and learn
from them" (¹) is IMHO important, especially for packaging.
In other words: I don't think a IRC packaging tutorial will be a big
help as those that will give that tutorial will probably be experts
already and experts often forgot all those small errors they did in the
beginning.
What if we're teaching by leading newbies through the packaging of actual
orphaned/wishlist packages?
I for one would not be interested to package something I don't even use
and/or I have no interest in. And it IMHO might lead to bad package quality.
So encouraging new packagers to do that is IMHO not a good idea.
Duh. :)
Of course *that* isn't a good idea, Thorsten. We wouldn't be mandating
forcing new packagers to package stuff they don't like. That would be
stupid.
In fact, one of the greatest potential motivators for a new packager is
simple: they can't find a package in Fedora that they really, really want.
The key question: how do we turn this motivation into action?
It could be as simple as a wiki page: NewPackagerTraining, let's say.
The page refers to some reading material, maybe, so that new packagers
have some homework to do and aren't wasting potential instructor time.
People then sign up for "classes", and they each list the one package that
they think they'd like to take a shot at packaging. And then, once a
month, we run a session with them, where the Professors:
a. Review the basics of packaging;
b. Walk through the process (get the bits, write the spec file, etc.);
c. Answer newbie questions;
d. Act as sponsors for the ones who "get it".
Sure, the best way of learning, ultimately, is to learn by doing. But I
suspect there are lots of folks who would respond very positively to some
direct hands-on work -- including some very smart people who may just need
a little bit of assurance.
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