On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 20:19:00 +0300, Daniel P. Berrangé via legal wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:57:35AM -0500, Richard Fontana via legal wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 9:32 AM Alexey Lunev via legal > > > > <legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi everyone! > > > > > > I want to bring `zmusic` into Fedora, but there is some issues with > > > licensing. ZMusic uses DUMB library, which has unusual DUMB-0.9.3 > > > license[0], but it is basically zlib license with extra clauses which > > > can restrict it to count as free and accepted license. > > > > > > Fedora already has `dumb ` package, it patches[1] license to make it > > > equivalent to zlib, with permission from original authors[2]. It was 18 > > > years ago. I cannot use this package, because DUMB library, which is > > > bundled with ZMusic, is heavily modified[3]. > > > > > > Is it OK to do the same, or do i need to ask permission from authors > > > again? > > > > > > [0]: https://github.com/kode54/dumb/blob/master/LICENSE > > > [1]: > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dumb/blob/rawhide/f/dumb-0.9.3-licen > > > se-clarification.patch [2]: > > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dumb/blob/rawhide/f/license-clarific > > > ation.eml [3]: > > > https://github.com/ZDoom/ZMusic/blob/master/licenses/legal.txt#L15-L19> > > I think you're asking whether you can simply take the 2007 > > clarification and apply it to the forked version of DUMB in ZMusic. My > > view is no, in part because I am not sure why the way Hans de Goede > > dealt with this in 2007 was considered sufficient. He got permission > > from one of the authors of the library; I'm sure that was the main or > > original author of the project and/or the maintainer at the time, but > > I am not understanding the basis for the implied view that they could > > speak for all the authors of the project. (Perhaps you have more > > information on the history of that project and can provide that > > explanation.) > > Since the clarification in the original Fedora package, upstream modified > their license again, adding a clause 8, that declares clauses 4, 5, 6 to > be "null & void": > > > https://github.com/kode54/dumb/commit/7a0d05c002c7ced72ceba489fc603b10b6d72 > d2b > > This is the version shown at that link [0] above. I think this added > clause 8 makes the license equivalent to zlib license once more (in > an incredibly silly & roundabout way), and thus ought to be considered > acceptable ? > > IOW *if* the Fedora package were updated to the newest upstream > release, the license clarification patch / email shouldn't be > needed any more. > > Having said that, this all assumes upstream actually had a legal basis > for adding clause 8 to their license though - given their lack of > seriousness with writing the license, I guess I'm sceptical existing > contributors were asked for permission when clause 8 was added. > > > So, without more information, I think you need to ask permission from > > *all* the authors of DUMB who appear to have applied this particular > > license, not just the one person Hans de Goede contacted. > > It wouldn't be just the oroginal DUMB authors who would need to grant > permission. > > ZMusic states that their bundled copy of DUMB is "heavily modified". > > Those modifications would be implicitly under the "DUMB license" too. > > IOW, as well as all the orignal DUMB authors, permision would be needed > from all the ZMusic authors who were responsible for making modifications > to their fork of DUMB after it was imported. Sorry, I'm a bit confused at this point, first part of message says about nullification of silly clauses, but second says about permissions from contributors. Can I use DUMB license as zlib (package ZMusic as-is), or do I need to ask every contributor for permission? > > I'm all for people having fun when writing software, but the license > document isn't the best place for that fun. What a mess :-( > > With regards, > Daniel Alexey -- _______________________________________________ legal mailing list -- legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to legal-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
