On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 4:11 PM Richard Fontana <rfontana@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 3:04 PM Jilayne Lovejoy <jlovejoy@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Ah yes, the old - add some extra stuff to the standard LGPL or GPL license header... which really doesn't seem to do anyone downstream any favors, but I digress. > > > > Note - the project does include a full copy of the standard LGPL in the repo. This license notice seems to appear in another .txt file at the top-level, but more notably (and more expected) as the license notice in the actual source files, see: https://github.com/mjsottile/sfsexp/blob/master/src/cstring.c > > > > I think the operative question is: Could this additional stuff in the license header be seen to modify the standard terms of LGPL-2.1 > > > > It's really just the first paragraph at issue as the rest of the license header is the standard language LGPL recommends in "how to apply these license terms" > > > > Here are my thoughts below, by sentence. I'll be curious to hear if Richard agrees! > > > > On 6/12/22 4:38 PM, Ian McInerney wrote: > > > > When verifying the license for sfsexp (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2095717) in my review, I noticed it appears to have a modification to the LGPLv2+ license on it. The full license text provided by the package is: > > > > Copyright (2003-2006). The Regents of the University of California. > > > > usual copyright notice - nothing unusual here > > > > This > > material was produced under U.S. Government contract W-7405-ENG-36 for Los > > Alamos National Laboratory, which is operated by the University of > > California for the U.S. Department of Energy. > > > > This statement is informational, nothing that could be considered a license term here. > > > > The U.S. Government has rights > > to use, reproduce, and distribute this software. > > > > This also seems like a simply statement of fact/reality. > > > > NEITHER THE GOVERNMENT NOR > > THE UNIVERSITY MAKES ANY WARRANTY, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, OR ASSUMES ANY > > LIABILITY FOR THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE. > > > > Not sure why someone felt the need to add this when it's covered in the standard license notice, but more importantly, this more specific version of disclaimer of warranty - that is, "express or implied" is stated in the LGPL license, so I do not see this as adding anything more/different. > > > > If software is modified to produce > > derivative works, such modified software should be clearly marked, so as not > > to confuse it with the version available from LANL. > > > > LGPL section 2(b) states, "You must cause the files modified to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change." which I'd consider functionally the same as "carry prominent notices", so I also don't see this as adding anything more/different. > > This is really the only somewhat interesting issue. I agree this > doesn't say anything more restrictive than what you (nominally) have > in LGPLv2.1. There's a long tradition in FOSS (in Fedora, certainly) > of treating "should" (which is ambiguous in English) as not referring > to something mandatory. > > > Additionally, this library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or > > modify it under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License as > > published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2.1 of the > > License, or (at your option) any later version. > > > > This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT > > ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or > > FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU Lesser General Public License > > for more details. > > > > You should have received a copy of the GNU Lesser General Public License > > along with this library; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, > > Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, U SA > > > > LA-CC-04-094 > > > > (taken from https://github.com/mjsottile/sfsexp/blob/master/COPYING). > > > > This to me reads as a modification to the normal LGPL (since it puts requirements that derivative works be clearly marked as distinct). Is this modification acceptable for inclusion in Fedora? > > > > > > Given I don't think anything in the "custom" license notice doesn't add, takeaway or modify the standard terms of the LGPL-21., I'd just consider this as LGPL-2.1-or-later. > > I'd consider it not meaningfully different from LGPLv2.1-or-later. > Whether it is properly representable as SPDX: LGPL-2.1-or-later is > something Jilayne and I are currently discussing off-list, but that is > not really pertinent to Ian's question (but does relate to the ongoing > project to migrate to use of SPDX identifiers in spec file License: > fields). > This is one of those examples of something where I don't think it's worth actually capturing as something distinctly different from the standard LGPL-2.1-or-later / LGPL-2.1+ / LGPLv2+ identifier. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ legal mailing list -- legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to legal-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
