On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 04:23:04PM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 04/20/2011 11:29 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > Our thinking has moved on a little bit though: What we propose to do > > now is to grab existing icons from the guests themselves. For example > > if it was a Fedora guest we'd grab > > /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/fedora-logo-icon.png out of the > > guest (or better still, /etc/favicon.png[1]). Almost all guests > > contain their own icons as part of the base install, if you know where > > to look. > > > > We no longer need to distribute any icons. Users install the guests > > from other sources. > > > > However the app will still *use* the icons (again, in a purely > > informative, non-pejorative way), and display them in a way that will > > still look very similar to the screenshots I showed in the previous > > email. > > > > What do you think about this plan? > > I spoke to Red Hat Legal on this approach, and here are the relevant points: > > 1. Distribution of the icons containing the logo files is not connected > to whether the use is infringement or not (which makes sense, we don't > get a free pass on using a trademarked logo improperly just because we > didn't distribute it). This doesn't mean that we can distribute icons > containing trademarks either, just that the two items aren't connected. > > 2. With that said, the fact that the icon is _always_ coming from the > VM, thus minimizing the chance of a VM being labeled with the wrong > trademarked logo, is a good thing, and in fact, necessary. > > 3. Red Hat Legal explains that the rule of thumb is this: > - If the wordmark (e.g. "Fedora") is sufficient to describe the item, > then the logo use is not necessary, and thus, not permitted. > > 4. This means that the scenarios you mocked up in vmm-with-logo.png and > vmm-with-logo-2.png are not acceptable, because the wordmark is already > in use as a descriptor, and is a valid choice given the UI. > > 5. However, in vmm-icons-in-vmlist.png, using the wordmark in that UI as > a descriptor would not be ideal, and Red Hat Legal agrees that use of > the trademarked logos in that specific use case is acceptable (because > of point #2). > > 6. If you want to use the trademarked logos (including the Fedora logo) > in any other fashion, you still need to get Red Hat Legal to sign off on it. > > 7. I can find no evidence that Tux is a trademark, as mentioned earlier, > so its use should be unencumbered (except for the license terms on the art). Thanks, this is very useful. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into Xen guests. http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/virt-p2v _______________________________________________ legal mailing list legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/legal
