Hello, while I agree that you should test updates (by whatever means required) before installing them on productions machines, it remans a fact that after updating mysql-server without stopping it before, you often reach a state where getting it working requires manuain intervention (service mysqld restart often isn't enough). This isn't new. Previous mysql-server updates also behaved like this, just apparently noone complained in the list. Unless there is a technical reason for it to behave like this (which I don't think because I use other distributions as well and these don't suffer from this problem), I think it is safe to say that this is a bug, and it makes sense to fix it (please note I didn't say "it is necessary to fix it", just that it makes sense). So could we perhaps stick to the technical part, try to find a fix and leave the patch management policies to someone else? Bye, Peter Surda (Shurdeek) <shurdeek@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, ICQ 10236103, +436505122023 -- Don't drink and su. -- fedora-legacy-list@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list