On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:24 PM Thorsten Leemhuis <fedora@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi Don! > > On 08.02.22 20:24, Donald Zickus wrote: > > > > It has been awhile since we changed how this mailing list is used. As > > folks have noticed, we have increased traffic significantly over the > > past couple of years to reflect the activity Red Hat developers are > > performing on the Fedora kernel. > > > > My question to this list is around the thoughts of this activity: > > * Is there too much noise? Should we throttle back? > > * is the volume ok? Folks have good filters? > > * Other suggestions on how we use this list? > > > > Trying to continue to make this mailing list useful. > > A mail Prarit Bhargava sent today ( > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/2FCAZG3H3Z65KPEDFXTGPVPIOYRVE322/ > ) to this list made me get back to this thread: > > I'm pretty sure Prarit didn't mean to, but both links in above mail are > not accessible to outsiders. :-/ And that made me realize something: I get that. I mean on the one hand, the original error did occur on things that not everyone has access to, but for people that did, it might be more help in figuring out the issue, but the pastebin should have been on https://pastebin.centos.org/. Even the original issue can be reproduced outside of the CKI environment, but honestly, I do understand that the time to reproduce the full output is considerably longer than a quick reproducer on pastebin. > kernel-ark and its mails here often make me feel like I'm back in the > days of Fedora Core and Extras, where Red Hat does one thing, while the > community is doing a different thing and having a hard time influencing > the thing done by Red Hat employees (back then that was because either > community members had no access or because it required a great deal of > effort to learn everything and stay on top of things). > > I known that this is unfair and inaccurate, as that's not how it is with > kernel-ark. But nevertheless it often just feels like that to me. I was there in those days, not a Red Hat insider, and I can assure you that kernel-ark is not there. There is some additional Red Hat ism due to the nature of how RHEL is developed, but I have worked pretty hard to make sure that it doesn't get in the way of actual Fedora kernels. I am 100% dedicated to Fedora, and while I am a Red Hat employee, it is very much Fedora first, I don't work on RHEL at all directly, once it leaves kernel-ark, or in the older days when RHEL branched from Fedora, I don't have anything to do with it. More importantly I feel like I have the support of management and others when I do push back because something goes against Fedora's interests. > Sorry. Maybe that's just me. Anyway: > > One thing that IMHO could help a lot to avoid that feeling on my side: > get rid of all the redhatisms. E.g. rename the redhat/ directory in > kernel-ark to fcrh/ (short for Fedora, CentOS, Red Hat), rpmification/, > a combination of those, or something like that -- just not "redhat" (and > maybe rename kernel-ark at the same time as well). Same for makes > targets. And make everything feel like kernel-ark is primary a > Fedora/community thing where CentOS/Red Hat are downstream consumers > that are closely involved because everyone benefits from it. _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list -- kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kernel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
