On Sep 24, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Kyle McMartin <kyle@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:24:54PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: >> I dunno. at this point, I'm torn over whether to keep pushing in this direction. >> The spec is already getting ugly with all those damn %defines. >> > > If everyone is going to end up running -nodebug, and we're going to keep > asking them to reproduce on the debug variant, what's the point of not > just continuing as we're doing now? > > Having people flip flop between -nodebug and default between release and > not is just silly, we might as well just use -nodebug by default all the > time. (I mean, really, the amount of useful stuff that -debug has caught > versus the sheer amount of noise it generates is just ridiculous.) > > Alternately, since we now have no-frozen-rawhide, maybe we just > institute a policy where rawhide runs with -debug on permanently, and we > flip the switch when we branch on released kernels. 90% of the benefits > from -debug will get caught then, and the other 10% wouldn't've got > caught anyway since the bugs won't even be found until three weeks after > release when there's now a couple hundred thousand people running it. I think I'm with Kyle here, leave rawhide always debug and go split at branch time. Competent bug reporters will happily grab kernel-debug if required, perf people won't test until branch time most of the time anyway, I suspect. Less people running a debug-enabled kernel without realizing it (eg, F14 base kernels up until earlier today) could help SNR too. -- Jarod Wilson jarod@xxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
